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From: "Patricia Junkin" <>
Subject: Re: Errata
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:05:15 -0500


Dear Brad,
I so very much appreciate this information. Is it possible that this William
could have sired offspring?
Pat

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>From: (Brad Verity)
>To:
>Subject: Re: Errata
>Date: Tue, Nov 9, 2004, 11:22 PM
>

> ("Patricia Junkin") wrote in message news:
>
>> Thank you for the clarification and, if I may further enquire. William and
>> Eleanor's son, William b. ca. 1330, a monk then by 1350, perhaps. I realize
>> there has been debate as to whether Eleanor had a child by William, but have
>> not found sufficient proof. Is he named in a charter to Glastonbury? I do
>> have a reference to a William Zouche younger and elder, however, they are in
>> a different line.
>
> Dear Pat,
>
> From Frances Underhill, _For Her Good Estate: The Life of Elizabeth de
> Burgh, Lady of Clare_. (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1999), p. 87:
> "Meanwhile, Eleanor and William la Zouche began a family. One son
> survived, choosing to become a monk at Glastonbury since he had few
> prospects for secular fortune. William's motives for joining the
> monastery perhaps lacked a strong religious impulse, as Glastonbury
> was more noted for its comfortable style than its zeal or piety in the
> late Middle Ages. Elizabeth's accounts confirm that William's
> thoughts ranged beyond the monastery, for in 1355-56 he leased her
> estate at Bletchingdon."
>
> Elizabeth, Lady of Clare, seems to have taken this nephew under her
> wing, as he was orphaned before the age of ten. The abbot of
> Glastonbury had professional and personal interactions with Lady
> Elizabeth, so perhaps she helped secure for her nephew a position at
> that monastery.
>
> William la Zouche the monk lived until at least the reign of Richard
> II.
>
> From Patent Rolls: "11 Feb. 1381, Westminster. Inspeximus and
> confirmation, in favour of the abbot of Glastonbury, of letters patent
> dated 6 February, 35 Edward III., granting to him 10 marks yearly from
> the issues of the county of Somerset during the life of William la
> Zouche, his fellow monk. By p.s."
>
>> It is possible that Hugh was a brother of William and certainly he had a
>> grandson Hugh, however, this last Hugh was not born until approximately the
>> time William died.
>
> I think its Dugdale's Monasticon that is the source for there being a
> son of Eleanor de Clare named Hugh la Zouche. I haven't seen the
> original citation. Its possible there was a son by that name who died
> young, or perhaps the Monasticon confused the first name of Eleanor's
> Zouche son. For Eleanor de Clare did have a son named Hugh - Hugh le
> Despenser - who succeeded as her heir to the lordship of Glamorgan and
> the rest of her third of the Clare inheritance.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers, -----Brad
>

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