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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: Re: Thomas Tyrell alias Torell
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:44:37 GMT
References: <8b.1e4e809c.2f126c08@aol.com>


In message of 9 Jan, wrote:

> In a message dated 09/01/05 07:15:00 GMT Standard Time, writes:
>
> > In message of 8 Jan, wrote:
> >
> > > In Nov 2001 there was a thread on Margery Berners daughter and
> > > heir of Richard Berners (-1412) of West Horsely, Surrey by
> > > Philippa dau of Sir Edward Dalyngridge (Philippa m2 Thomas
> > > Leukenore). Margery m1 John Fereby dsp and m2 John Bourgchire.
> > >
> > > It was suggested that Margery may have had a sister who married
> > > Thomas Torell.
> > >
> > > I have come across a bit more about this Thomas Torell, but
> > > nothing more on his wife. O.F. Brown's _The Tyrells of England_
> > > page 90 shows that he was from the Tyrell family, his brother
> > > being Sir John Tyrell (?c1375-1437) of Heron, Essex who m Alice
> > > d of Sir William Coggeshall. His parent were, Walter Tyrell
> > > (-1406) of the manor of Avene and Eleanor (-Will 1422) dau of
> > > John Flambard
> >
> > Not that I put much reliance on a Visitation pedigree, but the Essex
> > Visitation of 1612 (around 200 years after the events), p. 300,
> > shows that John Tyrell's parents were Thomas T and Elizabeth
> > Flambert, not Walter and Eleanor.

>
> Tim,
>
> O.F. Brown has shown that Walter Tyrell has been omitted from the
> _traditional pedigree_, or rather that he has been combined with
> another Walter Tyrell. Brown gives a number of possibilities where
> these two Walters fit into the Tyrell pedigree, but one of them
> seems to be John's father. The Will of Edward Tyrell of 1442,
> brother of John of Heron, refers to his father Walter Tyrell and
> Eleanor his wife, 'my mother', and 'my mother dame Eleanor Haute',
> his mother's second marriage being to Nicholas Haute. In 1421 a
> _coram rege_ judgement awarded to Eleanor the wife of Nicholas
> Haute restitution of an outstanding debt to her parents, John and
> Elizabeth Flambard.
>
> regards,
> Adrian
>

Many thanks and another black mark for over lengthy visitation
pedigrees!

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
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