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Subject: Re: Papal hoodwinking
Date: 11 Mar 2005 14:35:40 -0800
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Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
> In article <>,
> wrote:
>
> > There's the children of Leopold Eberhard, the Duke of Montbeliard.
TWO
> > sets of his children married one another in unions that were
apparently
> > arranged by their father (!!!!!). His daughter Leopoldine
Eberhardine
> > married her half-brother Ferdinand Eberhard and his son Georg
Leopold
> > married his half-sister Eleonore Charlotte. Both marriages produced
> > children. Georg and Eleonore's descendants seem to have died out,
but
> > Leopoldine and Ferdinand have descendants.
>
> Thanks! I was not aware of this case--18th century? Were there
> political / inheritance questions involved (e.g., were the
half-siblings
> married to insure that possessions or claims coming from two of
Leopold
> Eberhard's wives were merged in the next generation)?
>
> > Of course there's tons of uncle/niece and even a couple of
aunt/nephew
> > marriages among the Spanish and Portuguese royal families.
>
> At least some of the earliest uncle / niece marriages are subject to
> debate about the identity of the spouse--for example the one in late
> 10th-century Barcelona-Urgell. I'd like to see a list of these
unions
> from the medieval period, drawn up for discussion.

The Hapsburg family is famously intra-married: certainly, two sons of
Emperor Ferdinand I (d.1564) married their nieces (Ferdinand Ct. of
Tyrol and Charles D. of Styria); Philip II of Spain married a niece as
his 4th wife, as did their grandson Philip IV as his 2nd wife; this
union produced a daughter who married Emperor Leopold I, who was in
turn her uncle. A large number of the other marriages in the family
were between first cousins. The Popes must have got used to sanctioning
these matches.
>
> > The Thai
> > royal family had dozens of incestuous marriages, the last one
taking
> > place around 1930 if I'm not mistaken.
>
> Nat Taylor
>
> a genealogist's sketchbook:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/

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