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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy, Chief Justiciar of England
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:26:08 +1000
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Here are words but it is not an answer. For various reasons it is impossible
for Richard de Lucy to have been a brother or half-brother of Faramus, and
so _the only solution_ is that Faramus is a full brother of Rohese? The
thought half-siblings is dismissed like that?
Shades of Amy de Gaveston?


----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy, Chief Justiciar of England


> Dear Leo ~
>
> Please call me Douglas, not by the formal Richardson.
>
> I know you're confused, Leo. I recommend you review the primary
> evidence regarding Sir Richard de Lucy and Faramus of Boulogne, and
> then get back to me.
>
> For now, I will repeat my statement again: For various reasons, it is
> impossible for Richard de Lucy to have been a brother or half-brother
> of Faramus of Boulogne. I trust that's clear enough for you.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
> Webite: www.royalancestry.net
>
>
> "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
>> Richardson dismisses the possibility of Richard de Lucy to be either a
>> brother or half-brother of Faramus and therefor the connection _must be
>> through Godfrey's mother_
>> but how? Full brother or half-brother? If half-brother, who is different?
>> Rohese's father or mother?
>>
>> It appears there is no proof, only assumption.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Rohese, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy, Chief Justiciar of
>> England
>>
>>
>> > Dear Ginny ~
>> >
>> > Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
>> >
>> > In answer to your question, Sir Richard de Lucy's younger son, Godfrey
>> > de Lucy, was Bishop of Winchester. As a priest, he would have had no
>> > wife. That being the case, Bishop Godfrey's uncle, Faramus of
>> > Boulogne, would necessarily have been the brother of one of Bishop
>> > Godfrey's parents. For various reasons, it is impossible for Sir
>> > Richard de Lucy to have been a brother or half-brother of Faramus of
>> > Boulogne. As such, the connection between Bishop Godfrey de Lucy and
>> > his uncle, Faramus of Boulogne, would necessarily be through Godfrey's
>> > mother, Rohese.
>> >
>> > For those so interested, I should mention that there are good
>> > biographies of both Sir Richard de Lucy and his son, Bishop Godfrey de
>> > Lucy, in the older version of the DNB. I have not seen the new version
>> > of the DNB, but I assume their biographies are found in that source as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>> >
>> > Website: www.royalancestry.net
>> >
>> > Website: www.royalancestry.net"Ginny Wagner" wrote:
>> > < Thank you for such great posts, Mr. Richardson. Appreciate the
>> > < documentation. I didn't see anything about an uncle in the charters
>> > you
>> > < posted; thus, I have a question about:
>> > <
>> > < <(3) that Rohese was the sister of Faramus of
>> > < Boulogne (as indicated by her son, Godfrey's charter naming Faramus
>> > as
>> > < his uncle). >
>> > <
>> > < Have you eliminated the possibility that Godfrey had a spouse who had
>> > an
>> > < uncle Faramus?
>> > <
>> > < Ginny
>> >
>> >
>
>


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