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From: "Douglas Richardson " <>
Subject: Re: Faramus of Boulonge and Richard de Lucy
Date: 29 Jul 2005 14:41:14 -0700
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Dear Will ~

I believe the reference to Faramus of Boulogne being called "nepos" of
Queen Maud comes from one of the ancient chronicles published in the
Rolls Series. The term "nepos" in this time period could mean either
nephew, grandson, or near kinsman. In this case, it was the latter
meaning that was intended by the chronicler. There is no question that
Faramus's paternal grandfather was Geoffrey son of Count Eustache of
Boulogne.

The short end of it is that "nepos" should not be translated as nephew
prior to 1300, unless you have other evidence to confirm the
relationship.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

wrote:
> In a message dated 7/29/05 5:18:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> << ON page 268 of Robert Bartlett's England Under the Norman and Angevin
> Kings,:
>
> "The different kinds of recruits -- feudal and other levies, household
> troops, mercenaries -- should not be classified too emphatically into
> separate categories. William of Ypres, for example, an illegitimate
> cadet of the Flemish comital family is frequently and reasonably
> described as the leader of king Stephen's Flemish mercenaries, but
> after the king's capture in 1141, command of his household troops was
> taken by William, along with Faramus of Boulogne, nephew of the queen,
> Matilda.[76] [fn76] J. Hexham, p. 310. >>
>
> Now we have to wonder on what basis Faramus is made nephew to Matilda.
> Matilda of Boulogne b aft 1100 mar 1125 Stephen, later King of England in 1135
>
> "Living Descendents of Blood Royal" states that Matilda's parents were
> Eustache III, Count of Boulogne and Mary of Scotland daughter of King Malcolm III.
> And that Eustache and Mary were married 1101/1102
>
> This would not give enough time for a full-sibling of Matilda's to grow-up,
> get married, and have Faramus in time for him to be responsible for a debt of
> his step-mother's in 1130.
>
> Mary of Scotland's mother Margaret had no obvious ties to Boulogne that I can
> see. So is it possible to resolve this? Perhaps there is another Faramus of
> Boulogne, who in 1141, would have presumably been rather young, maybe
> underage.
>
> Will Johnson

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