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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Henry of Poitou, Abbot of Peterborough 1127-
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:48:19 -0600
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Leo van de Pas wrote:
> Dear Todd,
>
> A guideline, no cast-iron proof, is Schwennicke ES Volume II Tafel 76.
>
> Here is shown that Guillaume VII-IX le jeune had by Maubergon or
> Dangerose both wife of Amaury de Chatellerault the following children
> Raimond, Prince of Antiochia
> Henri Abbot of Cluny
> Agnes/Mathilde wife of (1) Aimery de Thouars (2) Ramiro II King of Aragon
> Adelaide wife of Raoul de Fays
> Agnes Abbess of Saintes
> Guillaume Count of Valentinois ancestor of the family Poitiers-Valentinois
>
> Tafel 76 gives as sources
> Erich Brandenburg Nachkommen Karl's des Grossen
> Siegfried Rosch Caroli Magni Progeni
> Jacques Saillot Le Sang de Charlemagne
>
> Isenburg/Freytag von Loringhoven, Volume II Tafel 28 (corrected and
> added to by Schwennicke) gives Guillaume VII-IX a wrong second wife,
> mother of all his children
> Guillaume VIII-X, Raimond, Agnes (Agnes/Mathilde by Schwennicke) and
> four daughters.
>
> What do you think is the situation? Do you think Henri is somehow a
> confused addition to this family?

I don't know one way or the other, but we have had two conflicting
answers here - ES showing the relationship as related, but Richard
showing it otherwise.

As usual, in failing (yet) to definitively answer one question, we have
raised another. Every source I have seen to date (and obviously, I have
not seen ES) has shown Agnes, wife of Ramiro II of Aragon as daughter of
William by Philippa/Matilda of Toulouse.

taf

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