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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Chronicle of Saint-Maixent [was: Re: Henry of Poitou, Abbot of Peterborough 1127-]
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:02:41 GMT
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"Todd A. Farmerie" <> wrote in message
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> Peter Stewart wrote:

<snip>

>> We are told by the chronicler of Saint-Maixent that William married
>> Philippa in 1094, and with the later report of the birth of his two sons
>> (his namesake & heir, and Raimond of Antioch) we are told that "he also
>> had five daughters by the aforesaid wife, one of whom [Agnes, as noted
>> above] was married to the viscount of Thouars" (ex supradicta conjuge
>> habuit quoque quinque filias, quarum unam desponsavit vicecomiti
>> Toarcensi).
>
> That's helpful. I wish Vajay hadn't abstracted it (in his Ramiro & Agnes
> article, note 93) as, ". . . habuit quoque quinque filias . . ." - without
> the mention of the said marriage or the daughter married to Thours (what
> was he thinking - the whole purpose of the footnote was to document the
> parentage and chronology of Agnes, and he goes and leaves out the meat).

It occurred to me that Vajay in 1966 must have been using an older edition
of the Saint-Maixent chronicle than Jean Verdon's from 1979, and maybe that
had punctuated the passage differently, so that "ex supradicta conjuge"
referred back to the namesake son of Duke William rather than specifically
to his five daughters encompassing the sons as well.

However, the edition by Marchegay that he used is available on Gallica at
http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-202275 and
this (p. 419) agrees with Verdon.

This chronicle (aka 'de Maillezais') is an important source for the comital
family of Poitou - it is printed by Marchegay on pp. 351-433 if anyone wants
to download it without the rest of the book, although there's a lot of other
valuable material in it (most, but not all, now available in more recent
editions).

Peter Stewart


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