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From: "Douglas Richardson " <>
Subject: Re: Seal of Joan de Grenville, wife of Sir John Engayne
Date: 19 Aug 2005 12:48:24 -0700
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Dear Chris ~
Thank you for your comments. Much appreciated.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Chris Phillips wrote:
> Douglas Richardson wrote:
> > "6628. [13th Century]. Green: fine, imperfect. About 1-3/4 x 1-1/8
> > in. when perfect. [Add. ch. 21,545].
> > Pointed oval. In tightly-fitting dress, cloak, flat head-dress, in the
> > left hand a shield of arms. Standing on a corbel. Arms: eight
> > martlets, four, three, and one: the corresponding shield or other
> > object in the right hand is wanting. Legend: SIGILL' IOHANNE .......
> > Beaded borders."
> > [Reference: Walter de Gray Birch, Catalogue of Seals in the Departments
> > of Manuscripts in the British Museum, 2 Pt. 1 (1892): 383-384].
> > Assuming the seal is correctly dated, I presume it is for Joan de
> > Grenville, widow of Sir John Engaine (died 1297). However, as best I
> > can determine, the arms on her seal are neither for Engaine, nor for
> > Grenville.
> > Does anyone want to attempt to identify these arms?
> I can't do so, but Complete Peerage does mention this seal [vol. 5, p. 73,
> continuation of note h from p. 72], and suggests that the charges may be
> lozenges rather than martlets, and that the arms may be those of Greinville.
> Chris Phillips
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