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From: Louise Staley <>
Subject: Re: Agnes Arundel
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:25:49 GMT
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Tony,

I wonder if you haven't actually found Agnes? Are you suggesting from
this message that Agnes' mother was Rosa Medlan, "Dame Rose"? And how
have you linked her (Rose) to Agnes? Or am I on the wrong track here?

cheers
Louise

Tony Ingham wrote:
> To all interested in Arundell,
>
>
> Re my previous mailing, please ignore all after "Well done Louise"
>
> Half the posting was to go to Charlotte and the other to the list.
>
> Charlotte got nothing and the List got rubbish.
>
> My only real excuse was that I had been called to dinner and not wishing
> to put myself at serious risk of permanent injury I sent off the message
> in haste.
>
> I dont know if there have been follow-up posts but it looks as though
> Agnes was certainly married to a knightly Arundel as in her will
> "pinguntur? figurem Domini mei et mee" indicated her husband a knight
> predeceased her and their monument was already made.
>
> As to Agnes' identity. We do know she predeceased her Mum. That must
> narrow the field down a fair bit.
>
> Best researching to all,
>
> TonyIngham
>
>
> Tony Ingham wrote:
>
>> Well done Louise,
>>
>> Charlotte and I have been coming from a slightly different direction.
>>
>> 1. Sir William Rykhill + Rosa Medlan d. of Sir Thomas medlan and
>> h.w. Matilda
>> 2. William Rykhill knight = Katherine
>> 2. John Rykhill
>> 2. Thomas Rykhill
>> 2. Nicholas Rykhill
>> 2. Matilda = Richard Gylle
>> 3. Margaret
>> 3. Elizabeth
>> 2. Joan = William Chertsley
>> 3. Joan
>>
>> Agnes Arundel died 1401 Kent Wills
>>
>> Legatees:
>>
>> My mother Sister Dame Rose (Medlan Rykhill)
>> Sister Dame Bryan
>> Brother Richard de Arundel
>> Sister Margery Cobham
>>
>> Put them [all] together and that have you got [Bibbety bobbity boo]
>>
>> Well done Charlotte.
>>
>> Tony Ingham
>>
>>
>> Louise Staley wrote:
>>
>>> Dame Ros = Margaret Arundel wife of Sir William Ros 6th Baron Ros of
>>> Helmsley
>>>
>>> Dame Brien = Joan Arundel wife of Sir William Byan of Kemsing, Kent,
>>> she m2 Sir William Echyngham
>>>
>>> Margaret and Joan are daughters of Sir John Arundel 1st Baron Arundel
>>> and his wife Eleanor Maltravers Baroness Maltravers de jure. She m2
>>> Sir Reynold Cobham 2nd Baron Cobham of Sterborough
>>>
>>> I must disagree with Leo. I don't think the Margaret Cobham in
>>> question is Margaret Courtenay, wife of Sir John Cobham K.G., 3rd
>>> Baron Cobham. She had died in 1395.
>>>
>>> Margaret Cobham is possibly, Margaret Cobham, daughter of Sir Reynold
>>> Cobham and Eleanor Maltravers above who (according to DR in PA3
>>> Cobham: 10) married Reginald Curteys but may still have been single
>>> at the time of the will.
>>>
>>> I believe Agnes, widow of Sir William Arundel K.G., is referring to
>>> her sisters-in-law in her will and therefore her identity is still
>>> unknown.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Louise
>>>
>>> Leo van de Pas wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a wonderful wildgoose chase---- I haven't given up as yet :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a great book on the Knights of the Garter and knight nr 86 is
>>>> Sir William Arundel became a KG about 1395 and died in 1400. He is a
>>>> younger son of John Arundel Baron Mautravers and Eleanor Mautravers.
>>>>
>>>> "A" Margaret Cobham is daughter of Hugh de Courtenay, 2nd Earl of
>>>> Devon and she has (see my website) a string of sisters for whom I do
>>>> not have husbands (as yet).
>>>>
>>>> I have to go out for a while but I do like tlo try and find out
>>>> more. Sadly, Burke's Extinct Peerage 1866 does mention Sir William
>>>> Arundel KG but does not indicate a wife.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Leo van de Pas
>>>> http://www.genealogics.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlotte Smith"
>>>> <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:35 AM
>>>> Subject: Agnes Arundel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the Kent wills for 1404 have an Agnes Arundel, widow of William
>>>>> Arundel KG naming her sisters in the will. They are Dame Ros, Dame
>>>>> Brien, Margaret Cobham. I cannot find out the maiden name of Agnes
>>>>> so I can identify these other women. All the Arundel website do
>>>>> not seem to give this information. I am sure someone in this group
>>>>> can supply the name. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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