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Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Staffiord
Date: 31 Aug 2005 03:18:05 -0700
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"Leo van de Pas" wrote:
> First an observation. Is it Camville of Canville? CP starts with Canville or Camville
> but then seems to use them alternately.
>
> By last lacuna do you mean 14 NN ?
> In my system that 14 NN would have a name = Maud de Brian,
> 29.Eve de Tracy
> 59.Maud de Braose
> 118.William de Braose
> 237.Matilda/Maud de St.Valery and her brother is Thomas de St.Valery
>
> Thomas de St.Valery
> /
> Aenor de St.Valery
> /
> Yolande de Dreux
> /
> Adelheid/Alix/Adelaide de Bourgogne
> /
> Marie of Brabant
> /
> Marguerite de France
> /
> Edmund of Kent
> /
> Joan 'the Fair Maid' of Kent
> /
> Richard II
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Staffiord
>

Hello Leo,

As to the spelling, there are plenty of variations- Camvile, Camvyle,
Camvill, Camville, Canvill and so on. As so often the spelling wasn't
fixed- eg you may come across Vernon as Vernun, Varnam etc. The family
are derived from Canville-les-Deux-Eglises, nr. Yvetot, Upper Normandy
(per ODNB) so one might expect Canville to be the correct form, but
Camvill seems to be the most used version. Note also that their village
is now spelt Clifton Campville, with a p!

The lacuna I meant was the unknown wife of William- Maud de Brian was
William's mother, being first wife of Geoffrey, lord Camvill (d.1308).
William's wife was postulated to be a Pype, to explain how the
Staffords got that manor, but in fact it came by a different (and
counter-intuitive) route. William's wife is unknown in CP.

But thanks for pointing out the St Valery link-

Matthew

>
> > Looking at the immediate ancestry of Edmund Stafford:
> >
> > 1. Edmund Stafford
> > 2. Sir Richard Stafford
> > 3. Isabel Vernon
> > 4. Edmund 1B Stafford
> > 5. Margaret Basset
> > 6. Richard Vernon
> > 7. Maud Camvill
> > 8. Nicholas Stafford
> > 9. --- Langley
> > 10. Ralph 1B Basset
> > 11. Hawise ---
> > 12. Richard Vernon (ne le Fraunceys)
> > 13. Isabel de Hartcla
> > 14. William (2B) Camvill
> > 15. NN
> >
> > Wouldn't this last lacuna be another possible route for any connection
> > to Richard II?
> >

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