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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Staffiord
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:47:09 +1000
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You are quite right, that throws my numbering out of kilter :-( but the
link shown remains. At least in my data base I have it correct.
Leo

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Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Staffiord


>
> "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
>> First an observation. Is it Camville of Canville? CP starts with
>> Canville or Camville
>> but then seems to use them alternately.
>>
>> By last lacuna do you mean 14 NN ?
>> In my system that 14 NN would have a name = Maud de Brian,
>> 29.Eve de Tracy
>> 59.Maud de Braose
>> 118.William de Braose
>> 237.Matilda/Maud de St.Valery and her brother is Thomas de St.Valery
>>
>> Thomas de St.Valery
>> /
>> Aenor de St.Valery
>> /
>> Yolande de Dreux
>> /
>> Adelheid/Alix/Adelaide de Bourgogne
>> /
>> Marie of Brabant
>> /
>> Marguerite de France
>> /
>> Edmund of Kent
>> /
>> Joan 'the Fair Maid' of Kent
>> /
>> Richard II
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Staffiord
>>
>
> Hello Leo,
>
> As to the spelling, there are plenty of variations- Camvile, Camvyle,
> Camvill, Camville, Canvill and so on. As so often the spelling wasn't
> fixed- eg you may come across Vernon as Vernun, Varnam etc. The family
> are derived from Canville-les-Deux-Eglises, nr. Yvetot, Upper Normandy
> (per ODNB) so one might expect Canville to be the correct form, but
> Camvill seems to be the most used version. Note also that their village
> is now spelt Clifton Campville, with a p!
>
> The lacuna I meant was the unknown wife of William- Maud de Brian was
> William's mother, being first wife of Geoffrey, lord Camvill (d.1308).
> William's wife was postulated to be a Pype, to explain how the
> Staffords got that manor, but in fact it came by a different (and
> counter-intuitive) route. William's wife is unknown in CP.
>
> But thanks for pointing out the St Valery link-
>
> Matthew
>
>>
>> > Looking at the immediate ancestry of Edmund Stafford:
>> >
>> > 1. Edmund Stafford
>> > 2. Sir Richard Stafford
>> > 3. Isabel Vernon
>> > 4. Edmund 1B Stafford
>> > 5. Margaret Basset
>> > 6. Richard Vernon
>> > 7. Maud Camvill
>> > 8. Nicholas Stafford
>> > 9. --- Langley
>> > 10. Ralph 1B Basset
>> > 11. Hawise ---
>> > 12. Richard Vernon (ne le Fraunceys)
>> > 13. Isabel de Hartcla
>> > 14. William (2B) Camvill
>> > 15. NN
>> >
>> > Wouldn't this last lacuna be another possible route for any connection
>> > to Richard II?
>> >
>

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