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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Turkish Question
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:04:30 +1000


In E de Zambaur's "Manuel de Genealogie et de Chronologie Pour l'Histoire de l'Islam" is a collection of familytrees. There is one dedicated to the Ottoman Sultans of Turkey.

Like many Muslim familytrees, wives are basically missing. However, there are footnotes.
By Sultan Murad II, he was Sultan from 1421 to 1444 and from 1446 till he died in 1451, is a footnote : Khadidja bint Isfendiar i.Bayazid , mere de Muhammed II. (this is not in the footnote, but he is also known as Mehmed II)

Murad II has been given seven children and the last two seem to be girls, and amongst these children is Muhammed II. In this lineage also appear two Sultans Bayazid, I and II. Bayazid I is the grandfather of Murad II and Bayazid II is a son of Muhammed II.

Does anyone understand what the footnote is indicating? Does bint mean child of? Is Khadidja a daughter of a Isfendiar and is he the son of a Bayazid? Whether it is Sultan Bayazid I is another question.

I have (few) descendants but they go to the 20th century.

Many thanks.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia




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