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From: Cristopher Nash <c@windsong.org.uk>
Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: Richard II's kinsman, Edmund Stafford
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 03:10:12 +0000
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Douglas, thanks very much for this —

> The colonial immigrant, Martha Eltonhead, descends from Sir Ralph de
> Stafford (died 1372), 1st Earl of Stafford, through his granddaughter,
> Elizabeth de Beke, wife of Robert de Swinnerton, Knt. [Reference:
> Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, pp. 303-307, 722-723].

There's an old problem affecting the line you have in mind —
concerning the uncertainty as to whether the mother of Elizabeth de
Beke is a da. of Sir Ralph de Stafford — put most clearly I think by
Peter Sutton on 24 Jan 01 sub <RE: Mother of Margaret Stafford> —

> In the Collection for a History of Staffordshire Volume: 1925 p.
> 109 ... from
> a suit at Stafford Assizes in July, 1402, we learn definitely that
> he (Sir Nicholas Beke)
> was the son of Mary (otherwise Mariota) de Bek, and that he himself
> married a wife
> named Joan; while from a suit also heard at Stafford in August,
> 1408 we know that
> he and Joan were both living at Lady day, 1348 (SHC XV, pages 114
> and 122
> Plea Rolls 1387-1405). However, the surname is not quoted in any
> source I
> have seen.
>
> As to Ralph de Stafford's children by Katherine de Hastang I have
> not seen
> any direct evidence that there were any other children from this
> marriage
> apart from Margaret.
>
> I am not sure how likely it would be for him to have 2 daughters
> both called
> Joan who lived to adulthood. Have you got a reliable source for the
> marriage to Sir Nicholas Bek?

I wonder whether for MCA or in the course of other work you've turned
up an answer?

Many thanks, again!

Cris

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