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From: "butlergrt" <>
Subject: Re: Re: The parentage of Orm Fitz Ketel (living Helewise)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:48:56 -0500
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Good Evening Will again and All,
You will not like this I am afraid. the descent goes thusly:
Eldred
Ketel
William I
William II
son:
Gilbert
son:
Warin*
dau.
Helewise mar. Gilbert fitzReinifrid son of Roger

*Warin also had a son Henry known as Henry fitzWarin that originally held
his fathers lands including Liverpool, but King John took Liverpool August
1207 and made it a Borough 5 days later and gave Henry fitzWarin the manor
of English tea instead. Why Warin and Hnery did not succed in succession
yet alone Gilbert is not known but history records it went to his daughter
Helwise and Gilbert fitzReinfrid and then his son William the last of this
line of Lancasters as he had only 2 daughters and then Lancaster became a
royal line.
Best
Emmett


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