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From: "butlergrt" <>
Subject: Lancaster Descent...All Please Read
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:48:28 -0500


Good Afternoon All,
I am slowly losing some hold on this(inter-relationships, etc.) and
thought of a "Great Experiment" which I think will also help others that
may be to shy to say so and to help all of us to focus generation by
generation and then 'cast' them or 'wipe' them off the list.
Below is listed all or at least a majority of the keyplayers in this
family, I will put forth, based, more-or-less, on the proposed descent as
discussed lately and as I understand it. "ALL" are to feel free to move
and mix and match names etc. as they view it,(could turn out to be a
historical,educational genealogy game!) with the understanding as to why
they view it as such. Initially the idea is to add dates, (birth, marriage
and death, etc). with a capital 'P' for primary source such as Wills,
Inquisitions, pipe rolls, close rolls, Charters, Grants and an 'S' for
secondary and yes, an 'IDK' for I don't know just a guess, which there is
nothing wrong with that either, sometimes intuitive logic opens new paths
of investigations. I think you "ALL" get the idea of what is about to
transpire, once we have an initial descent it can always be further
dissected, and HOPEFULLY, one of you who is good at writing(not me as you
all know) will be able to put this in a proper format, webpage or other,
and can be used as a reference and guide to those starting out in their
search and studies and can see the errors of the past and how to do it
right!!! We Begin:
Rough draft----Basic Names
Ivo Taillebois Ralph Taillebois Ivo dau. #1 Ivo dau. #2 Lucy
Beatrice Eldred Ketel Christiana William Gilbert William I
Willam II William III Godith Gilbert I Gilbert II Gilbert
fitzReinfrid Jordan Orm Gospatric fitzOrm Helewise Helewise de
Stuteville Gundred(reda) dau of William, Earl of Warren Gundred(reda)
dau of Roger, Earl of Warwick, Roger fitzReinfrid Rainfrid Gunnilda
Nicholas Taillebois Avica Richard de Morville Hugh de Morvill others.

Rough, Very Rough Descent..................

Ivo Taillebois mar. Lucy
dau #1
dau #2
IDK where this goes from here
Ralph Taillebois IDK
Eldred had;
son #1 Orm mar. Gunnilda dau. of Gospatric Earl o Dunbar
son. Gospatrick fitzOrm
son #2 Ketel mar. Christiana
son #1 William
son #3 Nicholas de Taillebois

Parentage?
Gilbert I mar. Godith
son #1 William lancaster I
son #2 Robertus de Lancaster

William Lancaster I mar.1 Gundred dau. William, Earl of Warrenne
William Lancaster I mar.2 Gundreda dau. of Roger, Earl of Warwick
Son #1 William Lancaster II mar. Helowise who mar. 2nd Hugh de Morville
father of Richard below
Son #2 Jordan
Son #3 Gilbert II
Dau #1 Avica mar. Richard de Morvil

Gilbert II Lancaster mar. Helewise de Stuteville
Dau. Helewise mar. Gilbert fitzReinfrid See Below
Son. Warin who had Henry fitzWarin of manor English Tea

Rainfrid mar.?
son Roger fitzReinfrid
Roger fitzReinfrid mar?
Son. Gilbert FitzReinfrid mar Helewise dau of Gilbert II Lancaster(see
Above)
Son William III Lancaster mar. ?
Dau #1
Dau #2
Last of the Lancasters it becomes Royal line of Lancasters

I do not know how to draw the lines as somse do nor do I know how to make
the print smaller on this format(slightly computer challenged) buat any
who know of a better way to do this, I am game, this is an evolving format
and hopefully by this Friday we will have something fairly concrete.

Please help and let us ALL do this, I promise it will not only be fun but
educational and we may be the ones to actually get this line right and
that is an ear-mark in and of itself.!!!!!!!
Best Regards,
Emmett L. Butler



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