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From: "Patricia Junkin" <>
Subject: Re: Lubbesthorpe Redux and other Zouche lines
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:41:21 -0500
Indeed, I did inquire of Margaret Zowche of Farleghe, not Biset. Many
apologies for this rather severe error. I was focused on another
Margaret,"Margaret Biseth, handmaid of Christ,""Damiscelle Margaret biset, "
either sister to Henry Biset or the Margaret who married Roger la Zouche. .
And, thank you for a source I might check for the connection of William la
Zouche of Essex concerning his inheritance of Farleghe Wallop.
Roger la Zouche who married Margaret Biset died in 1238 by whom Alan b. c.
1195 [his children b. 1240-50's], Alice, William la Zouche of Essex per DR,
Lora b. c. 1200, Eudo b. bef. 1207.
A copy of a charter of Henry II shows that Burgate and Rockborne, which
belonged to the king at the time of the Domesdey survey (V. C. H. Hants., i,
455b) were granted with other lands to Manser Bisset before 1175. His lands
descended to the husbands of the daughters of John Bisset (d.1241) and in a
copy of an extract from pleas of the crown, 1280, it is stated that Burgate
was held by John de Ripariis and Rockborne by John de Wotton and Ela, his
wife. A faded document without date apparently records an agreement for the
partition of all the Bisset lands between John de Ripariis John de Wotton
and Ela, his wife, and Hugh de Plessictis and Isabella, his wife.If Manasser
Bisets lands were Kidderminster (Worcs.), and Rockburne Hants and heir, John
Biset, son and heir of John Biset Addressees: King and council.Places
mentioned: Clifton Maybank, [Dorset]; Perret (South Perrott), [Dorset];
Oliver la Zouche held land in Fordingbridge Hundred that had belonged to
Hugh le Port, then Hugh de Chernet in 1166. In 1293 Iseult de Chernet was
dealing with the manor [Charford] which passed by inheritance or purchase
to Oliver de la Zouche. His Hampshire property encompassed that in
Fordingbridge and to Buckholte Forest and along the Avon. It was close to
Upper and Nether Wallop but Farleghe lies to the east of Basingstoke.
1305 22 May. Kempston. Grant to Olive le Zusche and his heirs of free warren
in all their demesne lands in Suthchardeford and La Hyde, co. Shamt.
Although the land is adjoining the lands of the Bisets, I have yet to find
the direct connection needed to conclude these lands were an inheritance
from his grandmother. Margaret Biset. Neither can I find Farleghe mentioned
in the Biset lands but am anxious to see the charter rolls between ca. 1228
and 1272 relating to Wiliam la Zouche of Essex inheriting property in
Perhaps it is Matilda the daughter of Sir John la Zouche who married John
Popham before 1394, but the Zouche the Hants. and possibly Oxon. lands
seemed to have been sold to the Pophams, not possessed through inheritance.
Thank you for replying,
>From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
>Subject: Re: Lubbesthorpe Redux and other Zouche lines
>Date: Mon, 6, 2006, 1:56 PM
> My comments are below. DR
> "Patricia Junkin" wrote:
>> In an earlier post, I asked about Margaret Biset of Farlegh Hants. I believe
>> she was a sister to Henry Biset and not the wife of Roger la Zouche.
>> May I inquire if there is any substantiation to give William la Zouche of
>> Essex lands at Farlegh.
>> Part of Oliver la Zouche's [b. c. 1250] known land lay in Hampshire as well
>> as Scotland and elsewhere and he had descendants other than John. I am
>> pursuing the sale of the lands in Hampshire by a later Oliver with wife
>> Isabel to the Pophams.
> ]> Pat
> In your earlier post, you asked about Margaret la Zouche, of Farleigh
> Wallop, Hampshire, who was an early benefactor to Wintney Priory,
> Hampshire. I identified her as Margaret Biset, wife of Roger la
> Zouche, of North Molton, Devon (died 1238). I suspect that Farleigh
> Wallop was part of her maritagium. The manor of Farleigh Wallop
> subsequently passed to her younger son, Sir William la Zouche, then to
> his son, William la Zouche the younger, then to his full sister, Joyce
> la Zouche, wife of Robert de Mortimer, then to Joyce' son, William la
> Zouche Mortimer, Lord Zouche, then to William's younger son, Robert la
> Zouche, and so forth.
> For evidence that Sir William la Zouche (son of Margaret Biset) held
> Farleigh Wallop, Hampshire, see Calender of Charter Rolls.
> As for the Popham family of Popham, Hampshire, the Popham family were
> the eventual heirs of the Zouche family headed by Sir Oliver la Zouche,
> born circa 1250.
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> Website: www.royalancestry.net
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