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From: "CED" <>
Subject: Re: Geoffrey Plantagenet's name
Date: 7 Feb 2006 14:53:55 -0800
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Douglas Richardson wrote:
> To the newsgroup:
>
> Richardson, Plantagnet Ancestry (2004), pg. 1 cites Ralph de Diceto:
>
> Year 1150: "Dum Gaufridus Plantegenest comes Andegavorum rediret
> Parisius a curia regis Francorum, concessit in fata apud Castrum Lidii,
> sepultus est autem Cenomannis in ecclesia Sancti Juliani." [Stubbs,
> Hist. Works of Master Ralph de Diceto, Dean of London, 1 (Rolls Ser.
> 68) (1876): 293].


To the Newsgroup:

This is not a the citation given respecting the list "major barons of
Brittany issued" in 1185, by the duke of Brittany. Does Richardson
think that a different citation from a diffeent source will suffice for
his use of the name "Plantagenet" in his original citation? He claims
to be a scholar. Quoting Diceto on Geoffrey, count of Anjou, is not
the same as quoting his original source on Geoffrey, duke of Brittany
[Morice, Morice Memoires pour Servir de Preuves a l'Hist. de Bretagne,
1 (1742): 706-707 ]. They are two different people.

This ruse of substituting a different source (for one Geoffrey) for his
original source (for a different Geoffrey) is a new low in scholarship,
even for Richardson.

CED
>
> This is the earliest instance that I've found of Geoffrey, Count of
> Anjou, being styled Geoffrey Plantagenet. Early in his career, Ralph
> de Diceto was Archdeacon of Middlesex, and afterwards served as Dean of
> St. Paul's from 1180/1-c. 1201 [Reference: Diana Greenway, Fasti
> Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1066-1300: volume 1: St. Paul's, London (1968),
> pp. 4-8].
>
> Inasmuch as Master Ralph de Diceto was a contemporary to Geoffrey's
> son, King Henry II, his reference to Henry's father, Count Geoffrey, as
> "Geoffrey Plantagenet" is almost contemporary to Count Geoffrey's life.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
> Website: www.royalncestry.net
>
> "John Higgins" wrote:
>
> > BTW, this DNB snippet is quoted in a recent publication called "Plantagenet
> > Ancestry" by (guess who!) Douglas Richardson. The very first article in the
> > book is about someone whom the author refers to as 'Geoffrey Planatagenet".
> > This is certainly a sensible (but not historically accurate) way to refer to
> > him since that's what he's commonly known as now, regardless of what his
> > contemporaries called him.

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