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From: "Akrogiali" <>
Subject: Re: Grigory Orlov
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:56:25 +1100
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Encyclopaedia Britannica is not exactly always a source of good information.
When it comes to Russian genealogy and History I look for Russian
sources not American.
As far the titles of the Orlov family is concern they must have had some
because those days you did not become a high ranking army officer and a
palace trustee if you were not one of the aristocracy. That's a fact.
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>1 - Grigory Ivanovich Orlov (1685-1746) governor of Great Novgorod.
> Married to Lukeria Ivanovna Zinoveva, born 1710. Henry Soszynski told
> you about him. He had no title. He left some estates.
> 1.1 - Ivan Grigoryevich Orlov (1733-1791)
> 1.2 - Grigory Grigoryevich Orlov (1734-1783)
> 1.3 - Alexey Grigoryevich Orlov (1737-1808)
> 1.4 - Fyodor Grigoryevich Orlov (1741-1796)
> 1.1 - Ivan Grigoryevich Orlov
> He led a quiet life with no titles nor posts. Being the eldest he
> administrated the Orlov estates.
> 1.2 - Count Grigory Grigoryevich Orlov
> He was Catherine's lover and had a son by her, Alexey born 1762 (the
> same year of the palace revolution) named after the village of Bobriki
> (Stalinogorsk) where he lived; from him comes the line of Counts
> Count Grigory Orlov (never a prince) was general-in-chief and later a
> diplomat without much success. He later married a niece, Madame
> Zynovieva but without issue.
> 1.3 - Count Alexey Grigoryevich Orlov Chesmensky
> This is the one who was put in charge of the Czar and later killed him.
> In 1770 was appointed commander-in-chief of the fleet sent against the
> turks and won the battle of Chesme against superior naval forces. He
> was rewarded with the honorific ephitet of Chesmensky and quartered the
> imperial arms in his shield. But was not made prince. He left an
> enormous estate with 30 thousand serfs.
> 1.4 - Count Fyodor Grigoryevich Orlov
> He was a Russian General and at the naval battle of Chesme, served
> under Admiral Spiridov who was under the command of his brother Alexey.
> Later he commanded another naval squirmish against the turks and that
> was commemorated by Catherine with a monument; but he was not made
> He never married but had five children, all legitimated and enobled by
> In this generation, no Orlov was prince and none let legitimate
> children. In 1808, died the last Count Orlov, Alexey Grigoryevich and
> only seven years later another Orlov was made Count.
> The titles (3) and arms of the Counts Orlov were claimed by the related
> family Davydov who only saw their request granted nearly 50 years
> 1.4.1 - Prince Alexey Fyodorevich Orlov (1787-1862)
> I told the significant in my last post. A Count in 1815 and Prince in
> He had only one son.
> 1.4.2 - Mikhail Fyodorevich Orlov (1788-1842)
> Brother of the above he fought in the napoleonic wars and returned with
> the rank of major-general.
> I did not bother to look for the other 3 children because they do not
> show in Britannica nor in Wikipedia.
> 22.214.171.124 - Prince Nicolay Alexeyevich Orlov (1827-1885)
> Wounded at the Crimean war he became a diplomatist and an author.
> Btw all this toppic is clearly out of the time frame of this list.
> Best regards
> Francisco Tavares de Almeida