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Subject: re: Maud de Vernon, wife of Richard de la Haye
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:20:12 EDT


Thursday, 18 May, 2006


Dear Tim,

You wrote:

The new-ish Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has Alice as the
first wife of Richard de Camville and the mother of Gerard. They say
that Millicent was the second wife and the mother of Richard de Camville
who died in 1191.

Should a correction be sent in to ODNB?


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Evidently such a correction is needed. Following is a
pedigree which follows the descent of Brattleby, Lincs. from the
Domesday tenant Colswein, through Nichole de la Haye, to Nichole's
granddaughter Idoine de Camville (wife of Sir William Longespee).
This is based in large part on the work of I. J. Sanders and
K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, as noted.

Cheers,

John




1 Colswein of Lincoln
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of Brattleby, co. Lincs.

tenant of said manor in Domesday Book, 1086[1]

Children: Picot


1.1 Picot of Lincoln
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of Brattleby, co. Lincoln[2]

(he d.s.p., succeeded by sister Beatrice acc.
to Sanders[3] - in error)

re: his wife:

'Beatrix uxor Picoti' [DD 1134 , citing Dugdale,
Mon. Anglicanum II:601, no. X[4]]

Spouse: Beatrix

Children: Muriel


1.1.1 Muriel of Lincoln[1]
----------------------------------------

heiress of her father

'Muriel Uxor Robert de Haia' [DD 495[4] ]

previously identified as daughter of Colswein by Anthony
Wagner[1] [see corrective article in Prosopon, p. 109 - Brattleby,
citing BL Add. 35296 fol. 413][2]

re: her husband:
of Brattleby, co. Lincoln (de jure uxoris)[3]

founder of Boxgrove priory[5]

Spouse: Robert de la Haye[1]
Death: bef 1156[3]

Children: Richard (->1189)
Cecily


1.1.1.1 Richard de la Haye[1]
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Death: aft 1189[6]

of Duddington, co. Northants. [7] and Brattleby, co. Lincs.[3]

fl. ca. 1195 :
According to an Inquisition post mortem in 1293,
'in the time of Richard I [1189-1199], Duddington
belonged to Richard de la Haye..'[6]

constable of Lincoln castle[3]

Spouse: Matilda de Vernon
Father: William de Vernon

Children: Nicole (-1230)
Juliana
Isabel


1.1.1.1.1 Nicole de la Haye[1]
----------------------------------------
Death: 1230[8]

elder daughter and coheiress [her maritagium or inheritance
included Brattleby, co. Lincs.]

acting as hereditary constable ('castellan') of Lincoln, she
defended the city against the baronial opponents of King John
under Earl William of Lincoln, 1216 [Warren, p. 253][9]

originally thought to have had manor of Duddington, co. Northants.
as her maritagium on marriage to Oliver Deincourt: this marriage
disproven, as confusion with her niece Nichole [see CP articles,
Vol IV-Deincourt, p. 118 note c as identified by Cris Nash and
resolved by Rosie Bevan][7],[6]

cf. Rot. Dominabus, p. 12[10]

re: her husband:

lord of Camville

Charter of Gerard de Camvilla dated 1176-83, addressed to Richard
bishop of Chester, confirming to God and St. Mary of Cumba and the
monks of the Cistercian order there serving God, the gift which his
father Richard de Camvilla made to the said abbey, namely the whole
land of Smita to found an abbey of the Cistercian order, with
demesne and other appurtenances in wood and plain, in ways and
paths, in land and water, in meadows and pastures, and in free alms
quit from all earthly service and secular exactions.
Witnesses: Walter de Camvilla, William de Camvill', Richard de
Camvill' his brothers, John de Curci, Simon de Blossevilla. '
[ Seal on tag: circular, brown, c. 2¾ ins. diameter. A ?lion
passant.
Note : For date and seal: see Sir Christopher Hatton's Book of Seals,
p. 8.] - A2A, Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Records Office: Gregory
of Stivichall [DR10/1 - DR10/467] , Combe alias Smite: DR10/194[11]

sheriff of Lincolnshire, 1189[12], and again 1199-1205[13]

according to Inq.p.m. (for later tenant), he 'intruded upon the manor'
of Benham, co. Berks. following the death of his brother Richard
[the manor then escheating to the crown, with Hugh Wake being
enfeoffed by King Richard I][14]

a supporter of John, count of Mortain in the absence of Richard:
' Longchamp [William, bp of Ely and regent] in 1191 removed him
from the shrievalty [of Lincolnshire], and attempted to reduce
Lincoln Castle; but it was stoutly defended by Nicholaa,
Camville himself being with John until the fall of Nottingham and
Tickhill compelled Longchamp to raise the siege. Camville was
excommunicated the same year. On Richard's return in 1194
he was deprived of the wardenship of Lincoln Castle and the
shrievalty of the county, and was arraigned by Longchamp
at Nottingham on a charge of harbouring robbers and
treating the king's writ with contempt. His estates were
forfeited, but he recovered them on payment of a fine of
2,000 marks. His wife also paid a fine of 200 marks...
On the accession of John, Camville was reappointed
warden of Lincoln Castle and sheriff of the county, and
purchased from the king for 1,000 marks the lands of
Thomas de Verdun and the wardship of his widow, with
liberty to marry her to his son Richard. ' [DNB p. 856[15]]

recorded as Sheriff of Lincolnshire, 1200-01:
' 302. Lincolnshire:- Gerard de Canville (Hubert fitz Richard
for him) renders his accunt. ' [Bain I:48[16], cites Pipe Roll
2 John, Rot. 6]

also shown by Anthony Wagner, pedigree of 'English Ancestors of
Edward IV'[1]
first husband of Nichola de la Haye (cf. CP IV:118, sub Deincourt)[7]

had a charter for a market at Stoney Middleton, co. Oxon:
' (Grant: other) gr 1201, by K John to Gerard de Camville
(VCH Oxfordshire, vi, p. 245). '[17]

cf. Painter, p. 84[13]

Spouse: Gerard de Camville[1]
Birth: ca 1150
Death: 1214[8]
Father: Richard de Camville (-ca1176)
Mother: Millicent of Rethel (ca1110-)
Marr: bef 1185[8]

Children: Richard (-<1230)


1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard de Camville[1]
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 1230, d.v.m.[3]

of Avington, co. Berks., Godington, Stoney Middleton, and Stratton,
co. Oxon.
lord of Camville

his father purchased the marriage of Eustache Basset, widow of
Thomas de Verdun in 1199 (Paul Reed, FASG citing the Pipe
Rolls)[18],[15]

record from the plea rolls, 1207/8:
' Curia Regis Roll. Mich. 9. John, m. 4.

Oxon. - The Prior of Kenilworth sued Nicholas de Verdun (called
to warranty by Richard de Canvill and Eustachia, his wife) for
the next presentation to the church of Hethe.

Lecelina de Clinton.
I
Bertram de Verdun.
_______I___________________________________________________
I I
Thomas de Verdun, = Eustachia. = Richard de Nicholas de Verdun,
first husband, Canvill, the defendant.
ob. s.p. second husband.
' [Gen XX:165[19]]



Spouse: Eustache Basset[7]
Father: Gilbert Basset (-<1205)
Mother: Egeline de Courtenay
Marr: ca 1199[18],[15]

Children: Idoine (-<1252)


1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Idoine de Camville
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Death: bef 21 Sep 1252[20]

heiress of her father[7], and her grandmother Nichola de la Haye[3]

evidently also heiress of her mother - the manor of Wretchwick,
Oxon. was part of the maritagium of her daughter Ela (m. James
de Audley), and her husband William Longespee had a charter for
a market at Bicester granted 20 Oct 1239[17]

her inheritance included the manor of Brattleby, Lincs. (CP XI:385)[7]
and a third part of the manor of Shalford, co. Surrey [see suit
brought by Ingram de Preaux, Sept 1226 - Eyton, vol. V, p. 291][21]

Spouse: Sir William Longespee
Death: 7 Feb 1249, battle of Mansura, Egypt (on crusade)[20]
Birth: bef 12 May 1205[22]
Father: William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury (ca1175-1225)
Mother: Ela of Salisbury (ca1187-1261)
Marr: aft Apr 1216[7]

Children: Sir William (-1257)
Ela (-<1299)
Ida (->1261)
Richard (-<1261)


1. "Pedigree and Progress," Sir Anthony Wagner, London: Phillimore & Co.,
Ltd., 1975.
2. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Additions and Corrections to Sanders’s Baronies
Prosopon, Number 11 (July 2000)," www. linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/Prosop, David E.
Thornton, editor, Prosopon 11 (July 2000), The Unit for Prosopographic
Research, Linacre College, Oxford, Little Easton (p. 130), Aveley (p. 2); Brattleby
(p. 109) ; North Cadbury (p. 68), above are emendations to Ian Sander's work,
English Baronies (1960).
3. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent,
1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
4. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell Press,
Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de Stuteville' Jul 2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund
de Stuteville), full title: Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons,
Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum.
5. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Re: Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St.
John," Aug 12, 2003, , cites Boxgrove Cartulary, p.
181 (an English version of the "History of the Foundation, and Founders'
Genealogy" ).
6. Rosie Bevan, "Deincourt Uncertainties," January 29, 2002,
, discrepancies re: Nichole, and Nichole de la Haye, cited by
Cristopher Nash.
7. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint, 1982 (Alan
Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and
the United Kingdom.
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1997, , reposted as "Re: Marmion Question", Aug 28,
1999, Alan B. Wilson {}.
9. W. L. Warren, "King John," New Haven: Yale University Press, 1997 (orig.
published 1981 in UK, Eyre Methuen Ltd), Yale English Monarchs series.
10. J. H. Round, ed., "Rotuli de Dominabus et Pueris et Puellis de XII
Comitatibus," The Publications of the Pipe Roll Society, N.S., 35, London, 1913.
11. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/, extracted 7 October,
2002, DEEDS OF TITLE AND COGNATE PAPERS, Nottinghamshire, DD/4P/22/250 - re:
Aldeby and minority, William de Morley (1 March 1339/40), Girlington: from
Warwickshire County Record Office: Mordaunt of Walton, Suffolk Record Office,
Ipswich Branch: The Iveagh (Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, ref. HD 1538/172/3 -
date: 6 Aug 1272 (re: Weyland), Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: The
Iveagh (Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, Thredling and Stow Hundreds, HD 1538/15
Vol.15/fol.17/4 - date: 28 Dec 1394, (ref. to Robert Morley, knt.), Hastings:
from Norfolk Record Office: Hastings Family of Gressenhall, charters and other
documents re: Hastings of Elsing, from FILE - Charter - Grant - ref. MR 72 241
x 3, also, Norfolk Record Office: Collecton of Manorial Documents relating to
Gressenhall and Hunstanton, (includes COLLECTION of MANORIAL DOCUMENTS
relating to GRESSENHALL and HUNSTANTON).
12. Cristopher Nash, "Which Richard de Camville married Millicent?," May 31,
2000, , resp. to email, Dexter Kenfield
().
13. Sidney Painter, "The Reign of King John," Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins
Press, 1949.
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, commentary on research of Dexter Kenfield, pub. May 31,
2000, cites Inquisitions Post Mortem Henry III, 1904, 294,, item 658 - C.
Hen. III. File 44. (11).
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Univ. Press, p. 856: Gerard de Camville.
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Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I), full title: Calendar of
Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record
Office, London.
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extracted 5 Nov 2001, Wiltshire [Bassett], Yorkshire [Salvain] - North Duffield.
18. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Clemence Dauntsey," Nov 16, 2001,
, information also posted by Todd A. Farmerie.
19. Hon. George Wrottesley, "Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls," The Genealogist
(N.S.), Vol. XX, 1904, pp. 28 et seq.
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Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
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Smith, 1855, Vol. 5 - p. 242 (Ludlow), pp. 132 (Banaster) and 133-142 (Barony
of Hastings), Vol. 6 - pp. 350-359 (Meole Brace and de Bracy).
22. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Re: Two Ida Longespee's: Same Generation," Sept 14,
2002, , re: Idoine de Camville, cites Farrer
(Honors and Knights' Fees 2:222), Farrer citing R. Lit.Claus 2:110b, 123 [Close
Rolls].


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