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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: re: Maud de Vernon, wife of Richard de la Haye
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:41:39 +0100
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In message of 18 May, wrote:


> (I had written:)
>
> > The new-ish Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has Alice as
> > the first wife of Richard de Camville and the mother of Gerard.
> > They say that Millicent was the second wife and the mother of
> > Richard de Camville who died in 1191.
> >
> > Should a correction be sent in to ODNB?
> >
>
> ========================
>
>
> Evidently such a correction is needed. Following is a
> pedigree which follows the descent of Brattleby, Lincs. from the
> Domesday tenant Colswein, through Nichole de la Haye, to Nichole's
> granddaughter Idoine de Camville (wife of Sir William Longespee).
> This is based in large part on the work of I. J. Sanders and
> K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, as noted.

<snip>

> 1.1.1.1.1 Nicole de la Haye[1]
> ----------------------------------------
> Death: 1230[8]

<snip>

> Spouse: Gerard de Camville[1]
> Birth: ca 1150
> Death: 1214[8]
> Father: Richard de Camville (-ca1176)
> Mother: Millicent of Rethel (ca1110-)
> Marr: bef 1185[8]
>
> Children: Richard (-<1230)


But DD (Domesday Descendants) says, p. 378, that Millicent the second
wife of Richard de Camville was the mother of Richard II de Camville.
This confirms what is in ODNB.

For Richard I de Camville, pp. 378-9, DD gives his two wives and three
children but does not say which wife was mother to which child, though
it does say that Alice was the first wife and Millicent the second.
Gerard was Richard I's successor so it sounds as if he was the son of
Alice, particularly as Richard II is the only son given above to
Millicent.

I cannot find anything in Sanders' English Baronies to help as the
part-fee of Brattleby did not go through Gerard de Camville's parents.

Can you give a closer fix on the document that would clarify that Gerard
was the son of Millcent?

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