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Subject: Re: Swanhild, Lauretta of Flanders, Loon-Rieneck-Mainz
Date: 22 Jul 2006 00:16:26 -0700
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Peter and Will,
Thanks for the contributions. The persons were allready known to me.
That's what triggered me. The intriging part was a possible
relationship between the said persons with the names Swanhild and
Lauretta. Two families, roughly the same period, the same combination
Peter Stewart schreef:
> <> wrote in message news:...
> > In a message dated 7/21/06 12:56:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> > <<
> > Her daughter Lauretta died at Forest abbey near Brussels in 1170, I
> > think -
> > I will try to check this when I can. >>
> > Wikipedia has her father Thierry (Dirk, Deitrich) b abt 1099
> > This is interesting as Lauretta's third husband had to be *significantly*
> > older than herself, at least 40 years it is said.
> Thierry was the eldest of three sons born to parents who married in August
> 1095 - his mother was a widow at that time, probably in her mid-twenties and
> able to have children straight away.
> Lauretta's third (or possibly fourth) husband - Raoul I, count of
> Vermandois - was very probably older than her father. His first marriage had
> lasted for 20+ years without offspring. Raoul's parents had married by ca
> 1080, and one of his sisters (maybe not the eldest) was married in 1096.
> The doubt over the number of Lauretta's husbands is due to the annalist of
> Elmare priory, who stated that she was married first to Henri of Louvain,
> younger son of Godefrid I, duke of Lower Lorraine. This alleged union was
> refuted by Léon Vanderkindere - the annalist continued with several errors
> about the connections by marriage of Henri's elder brother Duke Godefrid II.
> If Henri and Lauretta were actually married there must have been a divorce
> to allow her remarriage apparently before his death, as a monk, in 1140 or
> Peter Stewart