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Subject: Re: Charlemagne Line??
Date: 28 Jul 2006 14:20:28 -0700
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Thank you for calling the attention.
I knew about Stéphanie and Berthe but not Cunégonde. What are the
alternatives for Toulouse?

My focus was on the lines and not on the partners. As a matter of fact
I only wanted to show Todd that Burgundy was an easier avenue - only
one crossroad - then Savoy.

The descent from Afonso I is OK. I would only made small changes in
names but they are already better than in Medieval Lands and much
better than mine. Anyway I do not care much for names as I have never
forgotten your fabulous post about T. E. Lawrence and arabic names:
'She was a splendid beast' often comes to my memory.

Best regards,
Francisco


Todd A. Farmerie escreveu:
>
> wrote:
> > Henry, duke of Burgundy & (poss.) Beatrice of Barcelona
>
> Again, no evidence for her name, and her origin is speculative.
>
> > Bernard, king of Italy & Cunégonde de Toulouse
> > Pippin II, king of Italy & Berthe de Toulouse (poss.)
>
> The origin of these two wives is highly speculative, and alternatives to
> Toulouse have been suggested for each.
>
> > William I, count palatine of Burgundy (a) & Stephanie de Longwy
>
> She was not "de Longwy". This was based on a misinterpretation of two
> pieces of data, plus some added speculation by Szabolcs de Vajay. He
> has since retracted this identification without qualification, and there
> is reason to believe that the supposed father Albert of Longwy died
> without marrying, nor is there any evidence that Stephanie derived from
> this region. Her parentage is one of the great genealogical puzzles of
> the period.
>
> > P.S. - I did not check the descent from Afonso I.
>
> ditto.
>
> taf


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