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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Charlemagne Line??
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:46:17 -0600
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wrote:
> Thank you for calling the attention.
> I knew about Stéphanie and Berthe but not Cunégonde. What are the
> alternatives for Toulouse?

I can't name any off the top of my head, but basically all we have is
the name to go on, and various people have pointed to just about any
family in which the name Cunegonde was being used.

For those not clear on this, "Toulouse" is being used in reference to
the family of William of Gellone, who held much more than Toulouse. I
think it unlikely that both Bertha (do we even know that this was her
name?) and Cunigonde were of this family. As I said, it is the name
Cunegonde itself that suggested this origin for Bernard's wife. I am
guessing that it is the name Bernard (also that of William's son and
successor) that suggested a connection of Pepin's wife, yet I remember
an alternative, that she was linked to Charlemagne's brother Bernard -
if I recall correctly, he had several daughters who shared names with
the documented sisters of Bernard of Italy. I comes down to guesswork.

> My focus was on the lines and not on the partners. As a matter of fact
> I only wanted to show Todd that Burgundy was an easier avenue - only
> one crossroad - then Savoy.

Yeah - as soon as I say it I realized that the paternal route should
have been obvious.

taf

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