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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Re: Charlemagne Line??
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:12:01 GMT
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"Todd A. Farmerie" <> wrote in message
>> Thank you for calling the attention.
>> I knew about Stphanie and Berthe but not Cungonde. What are the
>> alternatives for Toulouse?
> I can't name any off the top of my head, but basically all we have is the
> name to go on, and various people have pointed to just about any family in
> which the name Cunegonde was being used.
> For those not clear on this, "Toulouse" is being used in reference to the
> family of William of Gellone, who held much more than Toulouse. I think
> it unlikely that both Bertha (do we even know that this was her name?) and
> Cunigonde were of this family. As I said, it is the name Cunegonde itself
> that suggested this origin for Bernard's wife. I am guessing that it is
> the name Bernard (also that of William's son and successor) that suggested
> a connection of Pepin's wife, yet I remember an alternative, that she was
> linked to Charlemagne's brother Bernard - if I recall correctly, he had
> several daughters who shared names with the documented sisters of Bernard
> of Italy. I comes down to guesswork.
That should read "Charlemagne's brother Carloman" - the only other brother
of Charlemagne was named Pippin, who died as a child, and there was no
Bernard in this family closer than their half-blood uncle, Charles Martel's
son, until Charlemagne's own grandson Bernard, king of the Lombards, whose
wife was named Cunigonde.