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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Charlemagne Line??
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:48:41 -0600
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Leo van de Pas wrote:
> Dear Todd,
>
> What is the correct spelling of the firstname? You show Dalmas, Turton
> (page 200) shows Dalmace, ES III/3 434 uses Damas and so does Gaston
> Sirjean.

I have seen them all and others - typical problem of recasting a
medieval name that appears in Latin documents into modern languages in
which the name is not current. I don't know that there is a 'correct'
spelling.

> Which one are you referring to? There are three in that family. It can't
> be Damas I, as his mother goes nowhere. Damas II for him I have no
> parents, that leaves Damas III, and I have him as mentioned in 1223 no
> wife no children. However, in my system it is Damas I, which appears as
> an ancestor as nr.18.

Yes, and as I did the math, the lines appeared to go through his wife
and mother - it appears that I erred in one of the calculations.

>
> The numbers I gave were 4128, 4896, 8848 and 8944
>
> 1.Alfonso I King of Portugal
> 2.Henri Count of Portugal
> 4.Henri de Bourgogne
> 8.Robert I Duke of Burgundy
> 9.Helie de Semur
> 16.Robert II King of France
> 17.Constance de Provence
> 19.Aremburge de Bourgogne

While speculated by Szabolcs de Vajay, I am unaware of direct evidence
which shows Arembourge as mother of Helie.

taf

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