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From: "Marge" <>
Subject: Arnald de BOIS-Payn de HOUGHTON- daughter Maud?
Date: 29 Jul 2006 20:26:36 -0700
Arnald de BOIS III founder of Bitlesden Abbey Bucks., in 1147 married
Isabel daughter & heir of Roger de WATTEVILLE.
They had 3 children-
Arnald de BOIS IV died 1184; married Emma, daughter & heir of Pain de
Robert de BOIS rector of Claybrooke and chaplain to 2 earls of
Leicester[ Roberts II & III
Maud married Robert GRIMBALD.
[This appears in a family tree in the book" Art, Identity & Devotion in
14th Century England" p.24 Kathryn A Smith.
"The Origins of Some Anglo Norman Families" pp 16/17 supports the above
for Arnald de BOIS IV
"& other lands of the honour of Hunts., acquired by the marriage with
Emma, daughter & heir of Pain De HOUGHTON.
The problem is-- is it Maud de BOIS or Maud de HOUGHTON who married
The Manuscripts of His Grace the Duke of Rutland Preserved at Belvoir
Castle" p. 177.
Folio 2b North Witham & Witham Wood [line] Geoffrey de DYVA & Philip de
DEVE with Philip his son & heir. Maud de HOUTON [ who grants for the
souls of her 2 husbands, Robert de GRIMBAUD & Richard del PEK] &
Richard de Pec-
"Richard de PEC He married Matilda the widow of the before mentioned
From: 'Parishes: Diddington', A History of the County of
Huntingdonshire: Volume 2 (1932), pp. 269-72.
In 1086 Alan the sewer held the manor of Countess Judith, (fn. 7) but
no successor can be traced till 119798, when the manor was held by
William Grimbald. This William was the son of Robert Grimbald (living
113033) and Maud, daughter of Pain de Houghton,
Robert & Maud GRIMBALD had a son Sir William GRIMBALD who married
Mabel de KIRKEBY sister of John de KIRKEBY,Bishop of Ely.
E 40/1204-Grant by Mabel late wife of Sir William GRIMBALD & Robert
GRIMBALD her son to Roger de NORTONE, clerk, for 6 marcs of the
messuage with appurtenances in Houton [Houghton] by St Ives, which they
had by feoffment of Lady Mary formerly wife of Stephen de HOUTON.
The above is apparently coorborated by:
In 1086 Eustace the Sheriff claimed one hide in Houghton and two and a
half hides in Slepe (St. Ives). (fn. 24) These possibly represent the
holdings in Houghton and St. Ives which are found later with a family
of 'Houghton.' (fn. 25) William de Houghton was chamberlain to Henry I
and a patron of Ramsey Abbey. (fn. 26)
Simon de Houghton (Houton), sheriff of Cambridge and Huntingdon in
1251, who was holding lands in Houghton in 1240 (fn. 27) and died about
1260, may have been his successor. His son Stephen compounded for his
father's debts to the King in that year, (fn. 28) and Robert de Evere
did suit for him for his lands in Houghton. (fn. 29) Stephen died
before 1279, when his heir is returned as holding his land in Houghton
and Wyton. (fn. 30) His widow Mary enfeoffed Mabel, widow of William
Grimbald and Robert her son, of lands in Houghton which they afterwards
conveyed to Roger de Norton, clerk. (fn. 31) Roger gave these lands in
1307 to the abbot of Ramsey to found a chantry at the altar of St.
Nicholas in Ramsey Abbey Church, retaining a life interest for himself.
(fn. 32) Stephen de Houghton's lands went, it would seem, to co-heirs
and were bought up by Roger de Norton, (fn. 33) but other lands in the
parish were held by the family of Houghton. The lands of John son of
Gilbert de Houghton, a minor, were given in 1351 to the custody of Alan
de Wodehouse and Isabella his wife. (fn. 34) John's son William died in
1353. (fn. 35) He also was a minor and by reason of the voidance of
Ramsey Abbey had been in the King's custody. His sister Margery
succeeded to his holding, which consisted of a messuage and two
virgates of land, (fn. 36) and in 1357 the escheator was ordered not to
intermeddle further with the lands, as John de Houghton had held by
knight service of the abbey of Ramsey and as Margery was of full age.
(fn. 37) The subsequent history of this land is unknownFrom: 'Parishes:
Houghton', A History of the County of Huntingdonshire: Volume 2 (1932),
Am unable to find anything on Pain/Payn/ Paganus de
HOUGHTON/HOUTON/HOGHTON but there is obviously a link between Stephen
de HOUGHTON and wife Lady Mary to Mabel [Kirkeby]GRIMBALD.
Has anyone seen anything that states Arnold de BOIS III had a daughter
Maud who married Robert GRIMBALD? or is the family tree published in
the above mentioned book incorrect?
Of further interest is the following- Mabel de KIRKEBY'S sister,
Margaret married Walter De OSEVILLE and she is the great grandmother of
Cecily de OSEVILLE who married Guy de BOYS/De BOIS who held the manor
of Munden Furnival in 1350, and Guy's parentage is still unproven.
Have an interest in the lines of DE BOIS, De HOUGHTON & GRIMBALD and
wish to get it all right.
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