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From: Henry Soszynski <>
Subject: Re: Eve d'Harcourt, Dame de Lisors
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:41:26 +1000
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:46:09 GMT, "Peter Stewart"
<> wrote:

>
>"Henry Soszynski" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> Greetings,
>> The above lady is the daughter of Guillaume I
>> Seigneur d'Harcourt, died 1141/1148, and she is said to have married
>> Guillaume IV Crispin, Baron du Bec, +1233 and mother of Gullaume V
>> +ca1263. The chronology appears to make this incorrect, as follows.
>> Guillaume I bc1100 +1141/1148
>> Eve b???
>> Guillaume V bc1215
>> Can anyone reconcile this apparent discrepancy. The dates of birth are
>> approximate only and are from the roglo database. Maybe the death date
>> for Guillaume is incorrect and Eve was born late in life.
>
>The Roglo database has apparently missed a generation, confusing Guillaume V
>Crispin with his son Guillaume VI.
>
>Guillaume V fought at Bouvines in 1214 and was born before 1190 when his
>younger brother Simon witnessed a charter along with him and their father
>Guillaume IV. Their mother Eve is presumed to have been a sister of Robert
>d'Harcourt, son of Guillaume. Robert had married Guillaume IV Crispin's
>sister - just to confuse matters further, she was also named Eve - so that a
>double alliance in the same generation appears plausible.
>
>Guillaume IV Crispin's wife Eve is presumed to belong to the Harcourt family
>because she carried their possession of Lisors to her husband. She was a
>donor to Mortemer abbey in 1180, probably around the time she was bearing
>her three recorded children. Her son Guillaume V was married to his first
>wife in the lifetime of Pernelle de Montfort, his mother-in-law, who died on
>3 February 1216, and it is his son Guillaume VI (by his second wife) who
>_might_ have been born ca 1215 although more probably somewhat later, ca
>1230.
>
>Peter Stewart
>
Thanks to you and Will for the input. If Eve was the daughter of
Guillaume I, then it appears unlikely that he would have died
1141/1148 if Eve was starting her childbearing around 1180.
Cheers,
Henry
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