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From: "D. Patterson" <>
Subject: Re: John Isaac Bates [1598-1666] Gateway Ancestor From The County Of Kent
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:33:00 -0700
> "D. Patterson" <> wrote in message
>>>>My guy's name was John Bates. I guessed at the date he came to
>>>>Jamestown, which was 1620 something, maybe 1626.
>>D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>>No, it was 1624 -- he arrived at Jamestown, Virginia, in _Southampton_.
>>>You were correct the FIRST TIME.
>>>Have The Courage Of Your Convictions!
>>>Don't Be A MUGWUMP!
>>>One Man's View:
>>>"So, on January 20, 1624, 24 year old John Isaac Bates set foot in
>>>Jamestown after crossing the Atlantic on the Southampton and became
>>>the first Bates family ancestor to come to America. He was one of 21
>>>passengers on the ship that were servants of Abraham Piersey. Piersey's
>>>two daughters aged 11 and 15 were also on board."
>>>"Grey Satterfield" <> wrote in message
>>Your source appears to have made an error. John Isaac Bates is reported to
>>have arrived in the year 1623 aboard SOUTHAMPTON while accompanying the
>>Pierseys. The date of 20 January 1624 is when the King's Muster was taken
>>to obtain a census of the Royal colony following the liquidation of the
>>Virginia Company. Evidently, your source wrongly assumed the date of the
>>Muster was the date of arrival of the SOUTHAMPTON.
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Yes, the source may be wrong.
> I called it "One Man's View". Vide infra.
> What is your source?
> And do you have a date in 1623 when _Southampton_ arrived?
> 1623 is better than 1624.
> So, do you have John Isaac Bates here for the Indian Massacre in 1623?
The Muster recorded the ship and year of arrival. John bates is reported
to have arrived in SOUTHAMPTON in the year 1623. I have not yet seen
anything saying when in 1623 that SOUTHAMPTON arrived.
I don't have access to my refeernce books where I am now, but there are
some online sources which present the Muster and more.
CENSUS OF VIRGINIA IN 1624, Jamestown City, VA Census - 1624
The 1624/5 Jamestown Muster
Search the Jamestown 1624/5 Muster Records
Muster Search Results
Showing records 1 to 1 (1 total)
Name Muster Status Location Corporation Age Ship Date of Arrival Muster
John Bates Peirsey Abraham mr servant Peirseys hundred Charles Cittie 24
Southampton 1623 20 January 1624/5
The Earliest Arrivals, Wingfield and Burgess Ancestors Who Arrived
before 1630...BATES and WINSTON: 1623
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