GEN-MEDIEVAL-L ArchivesArchiver > GEN-MEDIEVAL > 2006-11 > 1162834218
Subject: Re: De Tregoz
Date: 6 Nov 2006 09:30:18 -0800
I don't understand the problem. John Tregoz married about 1288 Mabel
Fitzwarin. He has two daugters say 1289-1291. That leaves 9-10 years
for his first wife to die and he to remarry a woman named Joan and them
himself die in 1300. So, why jump to divorce? And why would WIll
Johnson need to add his two cents that the two men were different?
Unless you have a document that says Mabel was alive past her husband,
I'm not sure I see a research problem.
John Watson wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/5/2006 6:06:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > writes:
> > 7 Nov 1288 : Licence, for a fine of 10l., for Mabel late the wife of
> > John Tregoz, tenant in chief, to marry whomsoever she will of the
> > king's allegiance. [CPR, Edward 1, Vol 2, p 302]
> > 28 Feb 1301: Grant to John la Warre, king's yeoman, of a moiety of the
> > forfeiture due to the king by Joan, late the wife of John Tregoz,
> > tenant in chief, for marrying without licence. [CPR, Edward 1, Vol 3, p
> > 577]
> > 8 Jun 1307: Pardon to Laurence de Hamelden, for taking to wife Joan,
> > late the wife of John Tregoz, tenant in chief. [CPR, Edward 1, Vol 4, p
> > 527]
> > Either John de Tregoz divorced Mabel and re-married Joan, or the John
> > de Tregoz married to Joan and who died in 1300 was actually the son of
> > the first John de Tregoz who had died before November 1288.
> > The two John's were not the same person. I think that much should be read.
> > Whether one was the son of the other is not clear from the above however.
> > Will Johnson
> Hi Will,
> On further looking around on Google books, I found the IPM for
> Wiltshire for the John Tregoz who died in 1300 and who seems pretty
> conclusively to be the father of Clarice and Sybil.
> Wiltshire Inquisition Post Mortem of John de Tregoz, made before the
> escheator, 25th October, 28 Edward I , of the lands and tenements
> which were of John Tregoz in co. Wilts on the day that he died. States,
> "John la Warre, son and heir of Clarice la Warre, first-born daughter
> of the said John Tregoz, who is dead, and Sibill de Graunteson, second
> daughter of the said John Tregoz, are the next heirs of the said John
> Tregoz : the said John la Warre is aged 24 years, and the said Sibill
> 30 years and more." Chan. Inq.p.m., 28 Edward I, No. 43. [Abstracts of
> Wiltshire Inquisitiones Post Mortem, 1242 - 1326, British Record
> Society, London 1908, pp 254-5]
> So I'm still puzzled about that "Mabel late the wife of John Tregoz" in
> 1288. Must be a different Mabel and John - however unlikely that