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Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth le Despenser,wife of Sir Ralph de Camoys, Lor...
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:08:15 EST


In a message dated 12/29/06 6:58:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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<< Jim Weber's site has "bef. 1351" for his birth. He also has this Sir
Thomas
as the father of Eleanor de Camoys, with Elizabeth de Mortimer as her mother
whereas Genealogics has Eleanor's parents as Sir Richard Camoys and Joan
Poynings.

I don't have Margaret Foliot as Sir Thomas de Camoys' mother, I have
Elizabeth" (as per Genealogics) and Sir John de Camoys. >>

The placement is problematic for the reasons already cited. If Jim Weber is
not citing his *reason* for "Bef 1351" then "Bef 1351" has to be tossed out
and a review done again.

I don't know what the reasoning is for making Eleanor de Camoys a daughter of
Elizabeth de Mortimer, but "Living Descendents", "Campbell" (op. cit.) has
her as a daughter of Joan Poynings by Sir Richard Camoys without citing an
authority on this particular couple.

Their authority for the grandparents is CP VI 124-5 and their authority for
the grandchildren is Harleian Soc Vol 17 p 374 ("re Robert Wroth d 1536 m Joan
Hawte Goodere")

Again the authority on which wife of John's was mother of Thomas has to hinge
on a chronologic or legal (land) argument from the sources. That argument
should be present before a simple answer can be believed in a case like this,
which the sources conflict.

Will Johnson

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