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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth le Despenser,wife of Sir Ralph de Camoys, Lor...
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:16:29 +1100
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Dear Merilyn,

Sir Thomas's entry in CP II page 507 may give some explanations.

Sir Thomas de Camoys, nephew, or more probably half-nephew, being son and
heir of Sir John de Camoys, a son of Sir Ralph de Camoys by his second wife
, Elizabeth (see footnote j). He succeeded to the family estates.....etc.

Footnote j : Feet of Fines, Sussex, 11 Edward III, Cal. of Charter Rolls,
vol iii, p.493. Sir John had married Margaret, sister and coheir of Richard
Foliot, but it is very doubtful whether she was the mother of Thomas, as
the whole of the Foliot inheritance seems to have passed to her sister
Margery, who married Sir Hugh Hastings.

The above sounds vague as nothing seems certain. Good thing there is volume
XIV, Page 138 has corrections for the Camoys family. It gives note j line 2
after Richard add "3rd Lord Foliot, she d.s.p." lines 2-4 delete from
'but' to Hastings.

Hope this helps.
Leo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Merilyn Pedrick" <>
To: <>; <>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth le Despenser,wife of Sir Ralph de
Camoys, Lor...


> Thankyou again for this helpful information.
> Jim Weber's site has "bef. 1351" for his birth. He also has this Sir
> Thomas
> as the father of Eleanor de Camoys, with Elizabeth de Mortimer as her
> mother
> whereas Genealogics has Eleanor's parents as Sir Richard Camoys and Joan
> Poynings.
> I don't have Margaret Foliot as Sir Thomas de Camoys' mother, I have
> Elizabeth" (as per Genealogics) and Sir John de Camoys.
> Merilyn
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From:
> Date: 12/30/06 10:34:29
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth le Despenser, wife of Sir Ralph de
> Camoys, Lor...
>
> In a message dated 12/29/06 3:38:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> writes:
>
> << 3. Sir Thomas de Camoys, b. 1351 >>
>
> Sir Thomas is not known to have been born in 1351
> What we know is that he was an adult by 1378
> We also know his father was "aged 40 at IPM taken 30 Sep 1360" although I
> don't personally believe that age is old enough, but perhaps rounded down.
>
> If his mother is Margaret Foliot than we also know that she was "aged 14
> in
> 1329"
>
> We know that Sir Thomas was older than his brother John, since Thomas
> inherited the Camoys title and John had to be born before Margaret died.
>
> If Margaret Foliot is not the mother of these two boys then the chronology
> gets shifted north even more in that Margaret is living in 1346 so Thomas
> could
> not be born prior to this year. On the other end to be an adult by 1378
> he
> must have been born by 1357.
>
> So giving him a specific birthyear makes it seem like we know that and I
> don't think we do.
>
> Will Johnson
>
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