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From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth le Despenser,wife of Sir Ralph de Camoys, Lor...
Date: 30 Dec 2006 05:48:12 -0800
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Dear Will ~

The fine in question states that the manor of Cokeham and the advowson
were settled in 17 Edward II [1323-1324] on Ralph de Camoys and his
wife, Elizabeth, for life, "with remainder to Ralph their son and heirs
of his body, with contingent remainders to John, brother [of Ralph],
Margaret and Isabel, sisters of Ralph, or right heirs of Ralph de
Camoys." [Reference: L.F. Salzman, An Abstract of the Feet of Fines
relating to the County of Sussex (Sussex Record Society, 53) (1916):
53].

In another fine dated 19 Edward II [1325-1326], a settlement is made on
Ralph de Camoys and Elizabeth his wife and John their son. A
contingent remainder is provided for John's brothers, Ralph and Hugh
[Reference: Ibid., 59].

The second fine proves that John de Camoys was the son of Sir Ralph de
Camoys and his 2nd wife, Elizabeth. This evidence also proves that
John was not the son of Sir Ralph de Camoys' 1st wife, Margaret de
Brewes, as stated on the Kemmis website.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

wrote:

< I cannot figure out this entry
< "http://users.qconline.com/~kemmy/book/kemmis03.html#ralph4
< In 1324, the Manor of Cokeham in Sumpting, (38) Sussex, and the
advowson of
< the hospital of St. Anthony annexed thereto, were settled by fine
upon Ralph
< and his wife Elizabeth for life, and on their son Ralph for life,
remainder to
< their grandson John, and on failure of his issue to his sisters
Margaret and
< Isabella and their heirs in succession, remainder to the right heirs
of Ralph."
<
< How can Ralph, by his second wife Elizabeth already have a grandson
by her ?
< The above definitely says "their grandson" not "his grandson"
< Will Johnson

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