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From: "Brad Verity" <>
Subject: Re: It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion when you'rescreaming
Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:25:58 -0800
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Douglas Richardson wrote:

> taf wrote:
>
> < Of course you didn't, and I never said you did, AND YOU DAMN WELL
> < KNOW IT.
>
> Dear Todd ~
>
> It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion with you when you're
> screaming.

Douglas,

Since you've made this debate public, I'll comment from the peanut
gallery and say that it's not possible to have a reasonable discussion
with you, period.

> When you've settled down and taken your meds, I suggest you
> try this post again.

Do you actually think that above statement is reasonable?

> And, please quote me correctly. I have never said that "there is right
> way and a wrong way to render medieval names." (your words, not mine).

Yes you have, from your post that started this:

Douglas Richardson wrote:
> Dear Will ~
>
> However, I note some problems, mostly technical. The person frequently
> uses Latin forms of names such as Adeliza, Adela, Cecilia, Matilda,
> Theobald, Isabella (repeatedly), Philippa, Berengaria, etc., when
> Alice, Cecily, Adele, Maud, Thebaud (or Thibaut), Isabel, Philippe, and
> Berenguela (or Bérengère) should be used instead. There is even a
> Jeanne which person was actually named Joan, and an Alfonso who was
> actually Alphonse.

You indicated that the way the website had those names caused "some
problems", and that your way "should be used instead". You rendered an
(unwarranted) authoritative judgment on name use, and though you didn't
use the terms 'right' and 'wrong', the way you phrased your opinion
implied those meanings.

> I have said that there is a preferred way.

No, you haven't, not until now. The words "preferred way" are not in
your previous posts. Nor have you acknowledged that the only one who
prefers the way is you.

> For example, I believe
> cognates forms of Robert should be rendered Robert.

What?

> The
> standardization and modernization of ancient name forms is a convention
> adopted by modern historians.

Yes, I'm sure Todd is already aware of this.

> I didn't invent it.

Which is no doubt why it works, consistently and easily.

> But, I do agree
> with it.

Then use it.

> I also believe Latin forms should be avoided whenever or
> whereever possible, unless we're writing in Latin, of course.

That's your own, personal, belief. You are in no position to impose it
on anyone else. I'm grateful for that because I find it ridiculous.

> So no to Adeliza, Adela, Cecilia, Matilda, Theobald[us], Isabella,
> Philippa, Berengaria, etc.,

So Simon and Garfunkel should change their lyrics to "Cecily, you're
breaking my heart, you're shaking my confidence daily. Oh Cecily, I'm
down on my knees, I'm begging you please to come home"?

> and yes to Alice, Cecily, Adele, Maud,
> Thebaud (or Thibaut), Isabel, Philippe, and Berenguela (or
> Bérengère).

> Got it?

Thanks for once again providing me with a big laugh. You trot this
nonsense out every three months or so, and it just gets more and more
humorous, basically because you seem so oblivious.

Cheers, --------Brad


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