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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Re: Americans Need Another Wake-Up Call
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:42:40 GMT
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Don't you understand the plainest statement in your own language? Try
reading

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

and note particularly Article 11. NB This treaty was drafted under the
presidency of Washington.

Whether or not your government's actions, historically or in the present,
comply fully with the Constitution doesn't affect the simple facts that the
1st Amendment is part of it and that this unequivocally separates the state
from religion. That is the fundamental law of the USA.

The declaration "As the Government of the United States of America is not,
in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" was in a text ratified
unanimously by the Senate in 1797, and proves the intention. If the state is
bound to respect freedom of religion, and the legislature is precluded from
making laws establishing a religion, then Church and State are
constitutionally separated, like it or not.

Peter Stewart


"Sarah Krans" <> wrote in message
news:...
> HUH?! Establishing a state religion (as we see in England) and allowing
> absolutely no mention of anything religious ('r' not 'R') in anything have
> to do with government is NOT the same thing. The present interpretation
> of
> 'separation of church and state' (which, as a side note, those words are
> NOT
> used as a phrase in the Constitution) actually VIOLATES the First
> Amendment!
> Think about that one!
>
> I'll also remember that the Federal Government CANNOT make any laws but
> those expressly stated in the Constitution. Oh wait, the federal
> government
> doesn't! They just use coersion to get what they want!
>
> Oh, and what about the little thing that no body other than the federal
> government (ie US Treasury) is allowed to print money. Take a look at the
> bills in your wallet. They state "Federal Reserve Bank" on them which is
> a
> PRIVATE bank - owned actually by MANY foreign governments.
>
> Try actually reading the Constitution and then looking at our government's
> actions. They really aren't all that in line with each other!
>
> Sarah
>
> On 18/01/2007 20:38, "Peter Stewart" <> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Sarah Krans" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I agree - and that means getting rid of the current legislative,
>>> judical,
>>> and executive bodies of the Federal Government. ALL of it! Make people
>>> actually READ the Constitution rather than interpreting other people's
>>> interpretations (nowhere does it say 'separation of church and state'
>>> nor
>>> is
>>> it implied as interpreted today). Students are not allowed to study
>>> real
>>> history and teachers really aren't allowed to teach it - because they
>>> have
>>> to teach for the standardized tests.
>>>
>>> I digress and will get off my soapbox! :)
>>
>> Too late, you have fallen off it already.
>>
>> Have you never heard of the 1st Amendment:- "Congress shall make no law
>> respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
>> thereof..."
>>
>> If you are lucky enough to live under this wise provision, you could at
>> least try to recognise & remember what it says.
>>
>> Peter Stewart
>>
>>
>>
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