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From: Tony Ingham <>
Subject: Re: Sir Ralph Josselyn, Mayor of London
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 23:38:53 +1100
I too am interested in Ralph Josselyn. He married, after the death of
Philip[pa] Malpas, Elizabeth
Barlee. This Elizabeth, soon after Ralph's death in 1478, married Sir
Robert Clifford (d. 1507/8)
who was involved in the 'Perkin Welbek' plot.
1449/50 P.R.O. E 210/5814
Ralph Josselyn, citizen and clothier of London, and others to John
Bewford, Rector of St. Swithun's, London, and Ralph Brydde: Grant,
indented, of the manor of Aspenden: Herts. 28 Hen. VI.
Re. the above which appears to be a settlement of Aspenden on feoffees
about the time of his
marriage to Philippa, you will see he was described as a 'clothier.'
I would suggest that his entry into the Drapers Company was due to his
with Sir Philip Malpas, his father-in-law.
What was your source for his death date of 1460?
Murray Lynn wrote:
> Sir Ralph Josselyn (1422-1460) was twice Mayor of London as well as an
> Alderman, Sheriff, Member of Parliament for Cornhill and member and
> Master of the Drapers Company.
> Sir Ralph's eldest brother, Thomas, was the first of the 'Jocelyn' line
> of the family who became the Earls of Roden of Ireland. The second
> brother Geoffrey was the ancestor of the Josselyns of Essex and
> Suffolk. While the family history prior to about 1200 is incorrect, the
> family were certainly wealthy Normans of some considerable influence. It
> therefore seems strange that the son of such a family was a draper.
> I contacted the Drapers Company to see what information they had on Sir
> Ralph. Unfortunately the early records no longer exist and apart from
> filling in details of the dates his career they had no information of
> his entry into the Drapers. They suggested: "One can only presume that
> he became a Freeman because he worked in the drapery trade though
> probably as a merchant rather than a shop keeper. It was normal for a
> person to become Free having served an apprentice to an existing member
> and on completing their training at 21 or a little older they would be
> brought to Drapers' Hall to take up the Freedom which then entitled him
> to work as a Draper and to become Free of the City of London which would
> entitle him to work in the City. Who Sir Ralph was apprenticed to is
> not known."
> However this seems unlikely for the son of a wealthy family and my guess
> is that membership of a London Company was a path to power and influence
> and that the family would have bought the entry in some way.
> Can anyone throw any light on this? Was it possible to bypass the
> Kind Regards
> Murray Lynn
> New Zealand
> My NZ Genealogy Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/>
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