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From: "wjhonson" <>
Subject: Re: European link to the Mongols
Date: 6 Mar 2007 20:35:35 -0800
On Mar 5, 6:40 pm, joseph uphoff <> wrote:
> taf wrote:
> >On Mar 5, 12:15 pm, wrote:
> >>What is the link between *any* European royal house to the Mongols?
> >>Someone who is a historian and amateur genealogist suggested to me
> that such
> >>a link existed, I haven't yet run across it, and wonder if someone
> has the
> >>brief rundown of how it goes?
> >I have seen two sets of claims. Basarab, the founder of the family
> >which bore his name, was son of Thocomerius of Wallachia. This appears
> >to be a rendering of the Cuman name Toktomer, and there was a Mongol
> >princeling of this name lining in the Crimea at the time. This has
> >led to the suggestion (I specifically recall it from Montcrieffe) that
> >the Basarabs were of Mongol origin. I also recall there being some
> >Russian nobility that married Mongols, and it has been claimed that
> >Ivan the Terrible descended from them, but I don't recall the details.
> One of Ivan's ancestors was a Mongol named Mamai, who was a khan of
> the Golden Horde. However, he seems to have been a usurper who did
> not descend from Genghis' family
Using one of the suggestions, I've made a table showing how Prince
William descends from Genghis Khan here
Hopefully I have all the links correct. I was unsure about 25 to 29,
that is, exactly how Thocomerius descends from Juchi Khan (d 1227)
Appreciate any corrections.
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