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From: Brad Verity <>
Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III For Slingsby Bethell,Lord Mayor of London 1655
Date: 19 Apr 2007 12:44:20 -0700
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On Apr 18, 4:30 am, Renia <> wrote:
> Don't forget Bethel, with one L. That branch of the family mostly (but
> not exhaustively) used only one L.
Yes, it's a little confusing. Dugdale's 1665 Visitation pedigree of
the family spells their name with two 'L's, but the ODNB bio of the
first Slingsby Bethel spells it with only 1 'L'.
> Do you mean this one?
>
> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1089739&i...
> # ID: I50990597
> # Name: Slingsby BETHEL
> # Given Name: Slingsby
> # Surname: Bethel
> # Sex: M
> # Birth: in ,,England
> # Death: Dead
> # Christening: 7 May 1657
> # Change Date: 10 Oct 2000
> # Note: Ancestral File Number: 9Q5V-9G
> Father: William BETHEL b: Abt 1609 in Kirkby Overblow,Yorks,Eng
> Mother: Bridget BOURCHIER b: Abt 1615 in of Beningborough,York,Eng
Yep, that's the guy who I'm trying to discover more about. Per the
IGI, he was baptized at Kirkby Overblow 7 May 1657, the 4th son and
7th child of William Bethel and Bridget Bourchier. Also per the IGI,
Frances Bethell, daughter of Slingsby and Sarah Bethell, was baptized
at St. Botolph without Aldgate, London 27 November 1698. Her father
had to have been the Slingsby who was born in 1657, as the Slingsby
born in 1617 died in February 1697, and the Slingsby who became Lord
Mayor of London in 1755 was baptized at Kirkby 16 March 1696.
The later histories of Slingsby (b. 1657), and his brothers Bourchier
Bethel (bap. at Kirkby 18 May 1652), Walter Bethel (bap. at Kirkby 21
Apr. 1653), Nicholas Bethel (bap. at Kirkby 5 Sept. 1658), and Hugh
Bethel (bap. at Kirkby 5 Oct. 1659), I haven't been able to determine
- I couldn't find death dates on the IGI for any of them. They may
have, like their brother Slingsby, married and had children.
> Or maybe this one?
>
> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1089739&i...
> # ID: I50989910
> # Name: Slingsby BETHEL
> # Given Name: Slingsby
> # Surname: Bethel
> # Sex: M
> Father: Walter BETHEL b: Abt 1620 in of Virginia
> Mother: Mary VAVASOR b: Abt 1620- Hide quoted text -
This one is an error. The Walter Bethell who married Mary Vavasor was
baptized at Alne, Yorkshire on 3 July 1628, married 1st at St.
Martin's, Coney Street, York on 10 March 1650, Anne Palmes of Naburn
(buried St. Martins 22 March 1623); married 2nd on 29 January 1656,
Mary Vavasour of Spaldington (buried St Martins 23 December 1659);
inherited Ellerton and the other Bethel family estates January 1663;
and never emigrated to Virginia or anywhere else. He had one
daughter, Mary Bethel (died unmarried, buried 21 April 1687) by his
1st wife, and a son Hugh Bethel (aged 7 in Sept. 1665) and a daughter
Frances Bethel (bap. at St. Martins 10 November, buried there 11
November 1659), by his 2nd wife. No son named Slingsby. I don't have
a death date for Walter or his son Hugh, but as Ellerton was
eventually inherited by Walter's youngest brother William Bethell
(1648-1694), it can be assumed neither left any issue.
An article on the Bethells in 'The Yorkshire Genealogist and
Bibliographer', Vol. II (1890), claims that the family line terminated
with "Hugh Bethell, of Ellerton and Swindon ...with whose decease in
1747 the Bethells of Ellerton terminated." This isn't exactly true,
as Slingsby Bethell the Lord Mayor in 1755, survived his older brother
and inherited the family estates, not dying until 1758. The estates
then passed to descendants of their sister, but that doesn't mean the
male line of Sir Walter Bethell of Ellerton and Mary Slingsby had died
out by that point, as its quite possible that Slingsby Bethel (b.
1657), and his brothers above, had descendants, some of whom may even
have emigrated to the colonies, especially with all of the mercantile
connections of the family.
Cheers, ----------Brad
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