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From: The Highlander <>
Subject: Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:26:26 GMT
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:42:39 +0100, "Robert Peffers."
<> wrote:

>
>"allan connochie" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>>
>> "William Black" <> wrote in message
>> news:fEG0i.6734$...
>>>
>>> "allan connochie" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>
>>>> William of Orange of course didn't conquer Scotland. He didn't need to.
>>>> James Stuart fled the English throne when William landed in England.
>>>> Once this unpopular monarch had lost his English power base the majority
>>>> in the Scots parliament declared him a traitor to the Scottish nation
>>>> and stripped him off the Scottish throne before offering the crown to
>>>> William and his wife Mary Stuart, both of whom were descended from the
>>>> Scottish royal line.
>>>
>>> So why did he bring that Dutch army with him then?
>>
>> The part of the island that army landed in was England. There was no
>> invasion of Scotland. Once James fled the English throne and lost his
>> power base the Scots threw him off the Scottish throne themselves branding
>> him a traitor. The throne was offered to William and Mary providing they
>> accept the Presbyterian settlement in Scotland. There was some opposition
>> to this in particular from James Graham of Claverhouse (Bonnie Dundee or
>> Bluidy Clavers) who stormed out of Edinburgh and raised an army mostly of
>> Highlanders in what was the first Jacobite Rising. Claverhouse probably
>> had no choice other than rebellion as he had been James Stuart's chief
>> henchman in the period known as the Killing Times, and the restored
>> Presbyterians and the likes of the returning exiles were bound to seek
>> revenge. New Scottish regiments were quickly raised to defend the capital.
>> This was when what went on to be called the Kings Own Scottish Borderers
>> were raised. The two Scottish armies met at Killikrankie where the
>> Jacobites won the day but Claverhouse was killed. The Jacobites were then
>> held by a much smaller band of Cameronians at Dunkeld and the rebellion
>> died out.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dutch William certainly invaded these islands. That the parliament and
>>> army and just about everyone else not called James Stuart rallied to his
>>> side doesn't change this.
>>
>> You claimed Scotland was conquered which was completely incorrect.
>> William's invasion of England gave the Scottish Presbyterian majority the
>> chance to regain their dominance which had been lost in the Restoration.
>> There was no outside invasion.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Killiecrankie
>by Robert Burns.
>
>Whaur hae ye been sae braw lad?
>Whaur hae ye been sae brankie-o?
>Whaur hae ye been sae braw lad?
>Cam' ye by Killiecrankie-o?
>
>And ye had been whaur I hae been
>Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
>And ye had seen what I hae seen
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>I fought at land, I fought at sea
>At hame I fought my auntie-o
>But I met the Devil, and Dundee
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>And ye had been whaur I hae been
>Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
>And ye had seen what I hae seen
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>The bold Pitcur fell wi' a fur
>And Clavers gat a clankie-o
>And I had fed an Atholl gled
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>And ye had been whaur I hae been
>Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
>And ye had seen what I hae seen
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>Oh fie, McKay, what gart ye lie
>In the bush ayont the brankie-o?
>Ye'd better kissed King Willie's loof
>Than come by Killiecrankie-o
>
>And ye had been whaur I hae been
>Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
>And ye had seen what I hae seen
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>There's nae shame, there's nae shame
>There's nae shame tae swankie-o
>There's soor slaes on Atholl's braes
>And the De'il's at Killiecrankie-o
>
>And ye had been whaur I hae been
>Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
>And ye had seen what I hae seen
>On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o
>
>Refers to battle in 1689, where winner, Graham of Claverhouse (Bonnie
>Dundee) was slain, ending Jacobite hopes.
>
I can't help thinking about the Provost of Dundee who had more sense
than most of them:

Dundee he is mounted, he rides up the street.
The bells were rung backwards, the drums they were beat.
But the Provost douce man, just said "Een let him be!
The guid toon is weel rid o that deil frae Dundee!"

He kent his man! He was probably D@ve Allison's ancestor - both had an
eye for reality.

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