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From: "La N" <>
Subject: Re: Queen Elizabeth II (21 April 1926- )
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:14:06 GMT
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"Eugene Griessel" <> wrote in message
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> "Robert Peffers." <> wrote:
>
>>Well it has to be said that in spite of the Scots language being
>>effectively
>>proscribed by the UK Education systems and pupils punished for speaking it
>>in class right up until the 1990s the languages and cultures are alive and
>>well and dwelling in Scotland.
>>I started school in the early 1930s after being raised on what was then an
>>comparatively isolated farm. I had never heard real English spoken until
>>that first day at school. I was immediately, "Lochgellied", by the school
>>teacher.
>>Every teacher carried a thick leather strap or, "Tawse", with a thonged
>>end.
>>These tawse were made in the Fife town of Lochgelly and they were called,
>>"The Lochgelly", with the administration of the strap to the pupil's
>>hand(s), known as being, "Lochgellied". There were several variations to
>>the
>>rather barbaric methods of application of the, "Lochgelly". One such was
>>to
>>have the pupil hold one hand on top of the other 2" above the desk so that
>>when the top hand was struck the knuckles of the bottom hand rattled off
>>the
>>desktop. Another was to apply the Lochgelly at 90 to the hand so that the
>>Lochgelly curled right round the hand. Yet another was to apply the strap
>>end on to the hand but with the thongs extending beyond the hand and some
>>way up the pupil's wrist. All this for using the language you learned at
>>the
>>mother's knee and thus the language that you think in. Anyway, the fact is
>>many pupils resented being made to use a foreign language, and although
>>they
>>became competent English users, they railed against it for the rest of
>>their
>>lives and, like me, were bloody minded enough to always deliberately use
>>Scots somewhere within every class to assert their right to their own
>>language. I ended school in the manner that I started by using Scots in
>>class to accept the prize for being top of the class at English. You may
>>not
>>be aware that the English actually hung Scots for wearing Scottish
>>national
>>dress, playing Scottish pipe music or speaking a Scots language.
>>
>>See - http://www.scotclans.com/history/1746_proscrption.html
>>and http://www.scotclans.com/history/1782_proscription2.html
>>
>>Yet in spite of all that the Scottish cultures of the Borders, Lowlands
>>and
>>Highlands/Islands lives yet.
>>(and they wonder why we do not support their bloody football team)(G).
>
> Paradoxically oppressing a small culture group usually results in a
> firm blossoming of that group's language and culture. Best way to
> kill it is encourage it - make it compulsory at school. It will soon
> die out then!

Heh. I wonder if that holds true of any compulsory second language
training. I know several people in my school years resenting to *have* to
take French in high school. I know that our Quebecois friends felt the same
way about English. Not that the languages died out, of course ... just that
it is human nature to resist that which is "forced" upon them.

>
> Eugene L Griessel

- nilita
>
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