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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Death of Edward II
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 02:08:13 +0100


Of course he could be descended from a different line and therefore be a
RELATIVE of Roger Mortimer.

Some folks, erroneously, call that a "COLLATERAL DESCENDENT" of Roger.

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message news:...

> Thanks, Leo.
>
> Aloha,
>
> DSH
>
> "Leo van de Pas" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>> Before I communicated with Dr. Ian Mortimer I suspected the same, but no
>> he told me he is not a dsescendant. It seems accepted that _those_
>> Mortimers in the male line are extinct anyway. For him it is perhaps an
>> unfortunate situation to have the same surname.
>>
>> I don't think he sees it as letting someone off the hook, I think he is
>> trying to let facts, as he reports them, speak for themselves.
>> With best wishes
>> Leo van de Pas
>> Canberra, Australia
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
>> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Death of Edward II
>>
>>
>>> Does Ian Mortimer trace his ancestry to Roger de Mortimer, 1st Earl of
>>> March?
>>>
>>> Is he trying to get said ancestor off the hook for the murder of Edward
>>> II?
>>>
>>> Those are the operative questions to ask.
>>>
>>> DSH
>>>
>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>>>
>>> Deus Vult
>>>
>>> "Leo van de Pas" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>
>>>> Dear Brice,
>>>>
>>>> On genealogics I have included Dr. Ian Mortimer's opinion in the
>>>> biography of Edward II. I don't think it is frivolous and at least
>>>> should be acknowledged.
>>>
>>>> I do not have access to Paul Doherty's work
>>>> With best wishes
>>>> Leo van de Pas
>>>> Canberra, Australia
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Clagett, Brice" <>
>>>> To: <>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Death of Edward II
>>>>
>>>>> Ian Mortimer continues to elaborate his view that King Edward II was
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>> killed at Berkeley Castle but survived for many years thereafter. See
>>>>> The Greatest Traitor (2003); "The Death of Edward II in Berkeley
>>>>> Castle,"
>>>
>>>>> HER 120:1175 (2005); The Perfect King (2006). He is not alone in this
>>>>> view. See Paul Doherty, Isabella and the Strange Death of Edward II
>>>>> (2003).
>>>>>
>>>>> Is any one writing on the other side? I have seen nothing.


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