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From: "Peter Stewart" <>
Subject: Re: Robert the Dane, son of RIchard I of Normandy
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:21:35 GMT
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"Volucris" <> wrote in message
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> Peter,
>
> The only thing that link these two pieces of information is the
> assumption that they must both refer to one Robert, son of duke
> Richard I, following a citation of Elisabeth van Houts (sounds Dutch)
> and a comment of an editor.

Elisabeth van Houts is indeed Dutch, now at Cambridge. At least one of her
published works is written in Dutch, _Gesta Normannorum ducum: een studie
over de handschriften, de tekst, het geschiedwerk en het genre_ (Groningen,
1982).

> That need not be. "Robertus, puer, filius comitis Richardi" (the boy
> Robert, son of Count Richard) could have been the son of a different
> duke Richard.

He could have been son of a Count Richard who was not duke of Normandy,
maybe.

> He could also have been a son of duke Richard I from his first
> marriage, who died young.

Dudo is clear that Richard I's wife Emma died childless ("Emma, uxor ejus,
filia scilicet Hugonis magni ducis, defungitur absque liberis") so that she
could not have left a son able to accompany his father and second wife in
985/89.

> Maybe the son Robert, later count of Evreux, was named after this
> deceased elder brother.

But Robert the count/archbishop must have been living at the same time, in
985/89.

> To me the mentioned son Robert alias the Dane at the ceremony in
> 985/989 might easily have been the later count of Evreux. I guess that
> Robert the Dane would haven of the category 'puer' in 985/989. Say
> that he was minimal 7 years old then. That would make him being born
> at latest 978/982. That puts him in the timeframe that you see the as
> the time the son Robert of Richard I and his wive Albreda/Gunnor
> should have been born.

This is not plausible if the account stating that Robert the Dane was
deceased and buried at Chartres was written, as I think (but am not sure) it
must have been, while Robert the count/archbishop was still living. I will
check this further when I can.

> Do we know the burial place of Robert, bishop of Rouen?

I don't, but it is perhaps stated in 'Acta archiepiscopum Rotomagensium', I
will check this too when I can get to a library.

Peter Stewart


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