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From: "a.spencer3" <>
Subject: Re: Duke of Buccleuch Dies
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:55:04 GMT
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On Sep 7, 10:07 am, "a.spencer3" <> wrote:
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> > "a.spencer3" <> a crit dans le message de news:
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> > >> > "Normandy" <> wrote in message
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> > >> >> "D. Spencer Hines" <> a crit dans le message
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> > >> > news:
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> > >> >> > So, a relative of Cousin Diana...
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> > >> >> > With a bastard descent from Charles II.
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> > >> >> > DSH
>
> > >> >> How closely were you related to 'Cousin Diana'? How closely was
the
> > > late
> > >> >> Duke of Buccleuch related to Diana? How closely are you related to
> > >> >> that
> > >> >> family?
>
> > >> > Probably even further away than are we Spencers, by the distance
> > >> > between
> > >> > Surrey & Hawaii, which must be as far away as one can be, thank
> > > goodness.
>
> > >> > Surreyman
>
> > >> Always been interested in where names came from. Looked up Spencer
"In
> a
> > >> castle a chamberlain was an important official. The surname Chambers
> > >> comes
> > >> from the same source, a man who looked after the king's or a noble's
> > > private
> > >> chambers. The man who dispensed stores was a spencer. Other officials
> > >> were
> > >> the parker who looked after the game park and the warriner who looked
> > > after
> > >> rabbit warrens. From him we get the surname Warner. The reeve was an
> > >> important official in a Medieval village. Bailey is a
> > >> corruption of bailiff, another important official
>
> > >>http://www.localhistories.org/surnames.html
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> > >> Normandy
>
> > > Yep, but the first de Spenser in the UK, I think, was also a 'steward'
> in
> > > the sense of being a right hand man of William I (but after the
> Conquest).
> > > A family with many consequent beheadings for treason, castle-buildings
> and
> > > banishments - they were an odd lot.
> > > Our branch came down through whichever lot were Lords of the Manor of
> > > Wimbledon, so I had the benefit of being 'Spencer of Spencer Hill'
when
> > > living in Wimbledon as a kid!!
> > > And another lot (or maybe the same) were, coincidentally, Lords of the
> > > Manor
> > > from 1272 of my current home area. But these were largely absent LOMs
> out
> > > here, also including Edward the Confessor and the Beauforts.
> > > However, it's all inevitably very convoluted and from whichever side
of
> > > the
> > > blanket.
> > > Something I must get into better when I retire properly!
>
> > > Surreyman
>
> > The Falaise Roll records a d'spencer but the Caen table does not. Since
> > William sailed from Falaise I would think that more accurate. The
> Churchills
> > claimed descent from the companion of William the Conqueror.by way of
> > d'Spencer down to Sir John Spencer who had flourished as a grazier in
> Surry
> > on rented property. Sir John becmae a Lord of the Manor. Whilst the
roll
> at
> > Falaise does not capitalise d'spencer by the time Winston Leonard
Spencer
> > Churchill was born the 's' had long been capitalised.
>
> > Spencer of Spencer Hill bit of all right
>
> Yep, it's probably the Surrey lot we're down from, too.
> I dug around a bit many years back now.
> There's a de Spenser on the supposed Battle Abbey

The original name is Despenser, not de Spenser; from earlier French
despensier "one who spends, one who pays out" which became modern
French dpensier "wastrel, spendthrift", both from the verb despenser
> dpenser "to spend"; cf. English "dispense".

You're right. The first 'UK' Spencer, William I's chum, was Robert le
Despenser, I believe.

Surreyman


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