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From: WJhonson <>
Subject: Re: Anna of Arimathea - who is HER husband?
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:13:39 -0700
<<In a message dated 09/14/07 07:45:29 Pacific Standard Time, writes:
Cunobelinos was King of the Catulvellauni, from about 10 to about 40
Am I right in thinking this was Shakespeare's Cymbeline aka Kymbelinus ?
If so, he is also mentioned by Geoffrey, but as a different person. He states in particular that this Kymbelinus was "brought up by Augustus Caesar" which at least allows us a chronological peg at this point in his narrative.
He gives the father of this Kymbelinus as Tenuantis (aka Tasciovan), Duke of Cornwall and later King of all Britain, who must have lived per my framework from say 90/70 BC until at leat 50 BC
The father of this Tasciovan being King Lud
The son of Kymbelinus is given as Arviragus who fought against Claudius' armies [which occurred in 43 AD]. This Arviragus is given there as marrying Claudius daughter, named Genuissa.
This is fable by the way, but I'm interested only to see if the chronology can hold together. This Genuissa has to be the daughter of Valeria Messalina. I do not have a source describing *exactly* when Claudius married Valeria and hopefully someone has a very good primary source for this, as plenty of secondary sources can't seem to agree.
We do know it must have been sometime between 31 AD and 40 AD. Valeria was stabbed to death, on the orders of Claudius in 48AD. So we have a pretty narrow window for Genuissa's birth which is good.
Their son is given as Marius, King of Britain the father of Coillus "brought up at Rome" (probably as a hostage?)
Marius is the father of "Old King Cole" aka Coillus or Coel who is mentioned at stirnet here
Cole appears to alternatively be given a mother of "Penardun" ? this might be an error in my database, its possible Penardun is a male, but given a father of "Bran of Siluria" which following Paul Heath should be rendered Bran of the Silures aka Bron the Blessed which I suppose implies that he comes from the Mabigonian although I haven't yet read it to see what it does or doesn't say to support this.
This Bran or Bron is that same one that many people have as married to Anna "of Arimathea" which started this whole thing, but also given as a daughter of James the Bishop of Jerusalem, brother to Jesus.
ALL OF THIS IS FABLE. Just thought I'd throw that in. It's going to prove impossible to co-relate ALL the legends together, but at least we can discuss whether any one of them even works by itself at all.
An alternate mother to Coillus "Cole" is given as "Julia of the Iceni" on stirnet supposed there to be a daughter of Boedicea "Queen of Britons" by Prasutagus, King of the Iceni.
Boedicea BTW is one person who Geoffrey never even alludes to much less mentions by name.
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