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From: "Normandy" <>
Subject: Re: Gen Petraeus
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:06:30 +0200
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"Russell" <> a crit dans le message de news:
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> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:52:33 +0200, "Normandy" <>
> wrote:
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>>"Russell" <> a crit dans le message de news:
>>...
>>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:08:36 +0200, "Normandy" <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"William Black" <> a crit dans le message de
>>>>news: fceu9d$766$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Normandy" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46eaf19e$0$25944$...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Berthold Schwarz invented the first European gunpowder cannon in
>>>>>> 1353.Is
>>>>>> that the end?
>>>>>
>>>>> So what the hell were they firing at Crecy in 1346?
>>>>>
>>>>> And what's this in a picture drawn in 1326?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/wolfram_von_taus/Research/Research_Handgonne.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> William Black
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
>>>>> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
>>>>> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough
>>>>> gate
>>>>> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
>>>>> Time for tea.
>>>>
>>>>Roger Bacon before 1292 listed the ingredients of gunpowder The chemical
>>>>formula for gunpowder and the refinement process reached Europe in
>>>>completed
>>>>form by the late 13th century. .
>>>
>>>
>>>>The drawing looks to me more of a mortar
>>>>than a cannon.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Walter de Millemete's illustration of a "vase cannon" is one you find
>>> all over the place.
>>> It shows a gun mounted horizontally on a trestle with a arrow-like
>>> bolt as a projectile.
>>> It is interesting that another illustration from the same work ("De
>>> Nobilitatibus, Sapientii et Prudentiis Regum") shows the device's
>>> mechanical version, a great crossbow, set up similarly and being
>>> attacked by a defender with a sword.
>>> Probably wrong, but I wonder if Millimete was making a point there.
>>>
>>Thank you I'll look into to that
>>
>>Normandy
>>
>
>
> A pretty close match to the Millimete "vase" gun barrel is the Loshult
> gun. Some recent (ie cast ~ 2000-2001) replicas have been used in
> trials of projectiles and historic gunpowder recipes.
> They did fire the beast as depicted in Milliemete's work, but for
> range comparisons they removed the trestle's rear legs to get a higher
> elevation.
> eg www.middelaldercentret.dk/pdf/gunpowder1.pdf
>
> There are other reports numbered 2 to 4 also at the site.

Thank you very interesting
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