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From: Douglas Richardson <>
Subject: Re: Cecily (Bardolf) de Morley and her ancestry
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:27:33 -0700
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Dear John ~

In a subsequent post, I note that you've presented a record which
states that in 1402 the unnamed heir of Thomas Bardolf of Spixworth,
Norfolk held 1 knight's fee in West Winch and South Lynne, Norfolk of
Thomas Morley, who in turn held these these properties of the king, it
being parcel of the barony of Rye. You've theorized that the Morley
family's interest in West Winch and South Lynne came through the
marriage of Thomas Morley's mother, Cecily Bardolf.

However, the record itself makes that virtually impossible. First, if
these estates were Cecily Bardolf's maritagium as you have suggested,
normally her son and heir would be holding her maritagium of her
family, not the other way around. Second, the record states that
these properties were held by Thomas Morley direct of the king as
parcel of the barony of Rye. If correct, then this can only mean that
the Morley family's interest in these properties arose not through
Thomas Morley's mother, Cecily Bardolf, but rather through Thomas
Morley's paternal grandmother, Hawise Marshal, who was the heiress of
the barony of Rye.

This in turn means that the Bardolf family of Spixworth were likely
tenants of Hawise Marshal's family before 1402. If so, that would
explain the record you found in which Thomas Bardolf, of Spixworth,
Norfolk, served as a surety in 1279 for John le Marshal, which person
was Hawise (Marshal) Morley's paternal grandfather. Thomas Bardolf
would have been one of the tenants of John le Marshal.

All in all, the evidence indicates that the properties at West Winch
and South Lynne can not have been the maritagium of Cecily Bardolf.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah.

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