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From: "John Higgins" <>
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage Addition: Joan Neville (died 1433),wife of Sir Hugh Cokesey
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:39:47 -0700
It's an old error, recognized as early as 1900, that Margery (Crane)
Appleton was the daughter of Robert Crane and Anne Ogard. She was in fact
his sister, as indicated in Robert Crane's will. See the TG article I cited
for further details. This is a case, incidentally, where the erroneous
parentage was traditionally supported by a heraldic quartering which was
The parentage of Alice Lovel is also discussed in the TG article and
mentions, inter alia, the will of her father Thomas, Lord Lovel [son of the
John Lovel you mention] which mentions Anne Ogard, "my daughter's daughter".
See also CP 8:223 note a.
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From: "WJhonson" <>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage Addition: Joan Neville (died 1433),wife of Sir
> Henry Ogard (or Agard) is mentioned as "age four" at his father's death.
> Anne Agard, his sister who married Robert Crane had herself to be born by
1450 as her daughter Margery (Crane) Appleton is already a mother in 1478
> "A Genealogy of the Wives of the American Presidents and their First Two
Generations of Descent", by Craig Hart
> Thelma Catherine "Pat" Nixon, G-9)
> Since Alice was yet married to Hugh Cokesey in 1445 then her daughter
Anne Agard had to be born exactly between 1445 and 1450.
> There is an old query whether Alice may not be that Alice Lovell daughter
of John, 6th Lord Lovell of Titchmarsh by his wife Eleanor le Zouche.
> If so, this Alice Lovell must have been born exactly between 1401 and 1415
to allow her still to be having children as late as Henry Ogard (or Agard).
> Will Johnson
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