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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Kings, Queens, Queers, Bones and Bastards
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:59:57 +0100
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Yep, but ENVY is often involved in these situations TOO -- by those who
CANNOT readily find free nookie.

I've often heard it applied that way by "the less fortunate".

There is nothing wrong in being ambitious.

And RESPONSIBILITY is a very murky concept in such situations.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Renia" <> wrote in message
news:fe1frl$q93$1@mouse.otenet.gr...

>I suppose, put more simply, "on the make" means to be "after something",
>because we also use it for males out looking for females for some, er, fun.
>Either way, to be on the make is to be after something, without recognising
>the responsibility which might go with it. Hence the term's derogatory
>nature. Nothing to do with envy.
>
> D. Spencer Hines wrote:

>> O.K.
>>
>> That's coherent.
>>
>> But it often seems to be used as a smear against people who are simply
>> ambitious and better off than the smearer -- who is an envious person.
>>
>> We Americans used to use it in describing a sexually aggressive male "on
>> the make" looking for a pliant chick.
>>
>> The expression faded because pliant chicks are abundant -- indeed there's
>> a surplus of them.
>>
>> DSH
>>
>> "Renia" <> wrote in message
>> news:fe16oe$nfr$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
>>
>>
>>>D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>
>>>>What do you folks mean by _on the make_ -- EXACTLY?
>>>>
>>>>DSH
>>>
>>>Someone who wants to make as much financial and social gain for himself
>>>as possible. These people are seen as selfish, greedy and pretentious.
>>>
>>>The difference between someone "on the make" and someone who is trying to
>>>"better himself" is that the former will ruthlessly tread on other
>>>people's toes to do so while the latter will do it through personal
>>>education and career moves.


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