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From: Renia <>
Subject: Re: Whereabouts of the Lancelot Mansfield crest
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:12:10 +0300
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> On Oct 4, 5:17 pm, Nathaniel Taylor <>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <>,
>>
>>
>>
>> "" <> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sep 28, 4:12 pm, John Brandon <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is the current whereabouts known for the grant of the crest of
>>>>Lancelot Mansfield (described in an early issue of the _NEHGR_)? If
>>>>not, it looks like a reference to it was made in some past issue of
>>>>the _Bulletin of the Connecticut Historical Society_ ...
>>
>>>>http://books.google.com/books?q=%22lancelot+manfeld%22&btnG=Search+Books
>>
>>>Connecticut Historical Society Bulletin, Vol. 7, no. 2 (1941), pp.
>>>10-12:
>>
>>>An ancient manuscript was presented to the Society a few years ago
>>>with the following account of its history.
>>
>>>"This Patent for A Crest to the Mansfield Coat of Arms has been in
>>>possession of the Windsor branch of the Phelps family "time out of
>>>mind," and is now presented to the Conn. Hist. Society by Mr. Daniel
>>>Phelps, who received it from his father, the late Hiram Phelps of
>>>Windsor. Sarah Phelps, a granddaughter of Mr. William, the emigrant,
>>>married John Mansfied, 1683; he died before his wife and none of his
>>>name succeeded him in Windsor. His widow probably left this heraldic
>>>parchment with the Phelps family."
>>
>>>... The document reads as follows:
>>
>>>To all and singular aswell nobles and gentils as others to whome these
>>>presentes shall come be seene heard read & understood Willm. Flower
>>>Esquire otherwise called Norroy principall herald and kinge of Armes
>>>of the East west and North partes of the Realme of England from the
>>>river of Trent northward Sendeth greetings in our Lord God ever-
>>>lastinge. Whereas Lancelot Manfeld of Skirpenbeck in the Countie of
>>>York Esquire is well borne and descended of worthie progenitors
>>>bearinge signes and tokens of their race and gentrie called Armes
>>>which likewise unto him are due by just descent and prerogative of
>>>birth from his auncestors: ...
>>
>>Interesting. According to Savage, John Man[s]feld of Windsor, with wife
>>Sarah Phelps, had children John (d. at age 6), Sarah, Samuel, Mary, "and
>>perhaps more."
>>
>>Whether or not he left descendants, I'm surprised he is not currently
>>included in the Roll of Arms of the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry (listing
>>known armigers in the colonies or the US down through the 19th century).
>>
>>Nat Taylorhttp://www.nltaylor.net
>
>
> So my dumb followup question would be: Is there a Yorkshire Archives
> that would hold the documentation for such a coat of arms? It is
> interesting that this document shows Lancelot Mansfield to be of
> ancient gentry ancestry, although we don't even know his parents yet.
> It is through his wife, Anne Eure, that Mansfield descendants,
> including myself, get their royal lines.
>
> So, how does one follow up on such a lead to get to other primary
> documentation?

Apply to the College of Arms, who, for a fee, will investigate the
Man(s)field arms.

The Man(s)fields (or anything similar) do not appear in the 17th century
Visitation of Yorkshire, which suggests the line had died out by the
time of Dugdale's visitation in 1665.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=AHE1867.0001.001

However, the index to the Flower's 1567 visitation shows Mansfield as
"see Dransfield". The Dransfield family of Stubbs Walden have their
pedigree on page 148, but no mention of Lancelot. William Flower died in
1593. Dugdale's Visitation was begun in 1605, so this suggests the
Man(s)field family had died out by then or they might have been included.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/surtees133text.pdf

However, the same Visitation has Anne Eure married to Launcelot Myrfield
(shown as Mirfield in the index).


British History online shows one Lancelot Manfield, incumbent at St
James's, Ormside, Westmorland, from 1575 until his death in 1582.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=43512

Cambridge University Alumni has:

Name: Roger Manfield OR Mansfield
College: KING'S
Entered: 1544
More Information: Adm. at KING'S, a scholar from Eton, 1541. Matric.
1544; B.A. 1545-6. Fellow, till 1546-7.

Name: William Manfield
College: CLARE
Entered: Lent, 1580
More Information: Matric. sizar from CLARE, Lent, 1580-1; B.A. from St
Catharine's, 1584-5; M.A. from Clare, 1588.

Name: Thomas Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1501-2; M.A. 1505-6. Incorp. at Oxford, 1516.
B.D. (Oxford) 1526.

Name: John Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1492-3; M.A. 1496. Ord. sub-deacon (Ely) Mar. 17,
1491.

Name: Andrew Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1492-3; M.A. 1495-6; M.B. 1502-3; M.D. 1510-1.

Name: Andrew Manfield
More Information: B.A. 1504; M.A. 1507; M.D. 1514-5.

Name: Manfield
More Information: (1562), see MANDEVILLE.

Name: Philip Mandevile OR Manfield
College: KING'S
Entered: 1562
More Information: Adm. at KING'S (age 18) a scholar from Eton, 1562. Of
Petworth, Sussex. Matric. 1562; B.A. 1566-7; M.A. 1570. Fellow, 1565-73.
Ord. eacon and priest (Lincoln) Nov. 5, 1583. Said to have been Master
of Bury St Edmunds School, 1562-83. V. of Stotfold, Beds., 1583. (Harwood.)

Further Mandeville references don't help.

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