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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Diana, Princess Of Wales & Continuing Mindless Celebrity Worship
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:25:52 +0100


Except you are referring to Queen Victoria's GRANDSON, Albert Victor
Christian [1864-1892], Duke of Clarence and Avondale ---- not her son,
"Bertie", later Edward VII, who was Albert's father.

Herewith Some Of The Scoop:



Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Acceded: 24 May 1890. Duke of Avondale, Earl of Athlone, Betrothed to Mary
of Teck, who later married George V.

He proposed to her at Luton Hoo on 3 Dec 1891 and she accepted; they were
engaged from that date. The wedding was to have been on 27 Feb 1892.
"Prince Eddy" --- as he was known within the family --- became ill in early
January and died on 14 Jan 1892 of pneumonia. Marriage to Annie Crook is
only reputed, not confirmed.

One theory, by Knight, has it that the Duke of Clarence was actually Jack
the Ripper. Jack, the pseudonymous perpetrator, committed the notorious
murders of at least seven women, all prostitutes, in, or near,
Whitechapel --- in London's East End --- from 7 August to 10 November 1888.

"Regarding HRH The Duke of Clarence and the Jack the Ripper controversy:

1. There are five accepted canonical victims of the Ripper:

A. Mary Ann Nichols, killed 31 August, 1888.

B. Annie Chapman, killed 9 September, 1888.

C. Elizabeth Stride, killed 30 September, 1888.

D. Catherine Eddowes, also killed 30 September, 1888.

E. Mary Anne Kelly, killed 9 November, 1888.

During these times, the Duke of Clarence was at the following locations:

29 August-7 September 1888 he stayed with Viscount Downe at Danby Lodge,
Grosmont, Yorkshire.

7-10 September, 1888 he was at the Cavalry Barracks in York with his

27-30 September, 1888 he was at Abergeldie, Scotland staying with the Royal
Family at Balmoral.

2-12 November, 1888 he was with his parents the Prince and Princess of Wales
at Sandringham.

Nevertheless, he has featured in several recent Ripper books.

The story of his marriage and fathering a bastard child with Annie Crook has
been proven as a falsehood; he also is alleged to feature in several other
Ripper explanations, whether using Dr. William Gull as the actual killer, a
combination of the Duke's friends, his former tutor (and alleged lover)
James Kenneth Stephen, or even a conspiracy to hide the involvement of his
father the Prince of Wales with Mary Kelly, the last victim. Take your
pick! They're all nonsense.

My sources for Ripper information are varied. The best basic reference
available in the United States is "Jack the Ripper A-Z" from which the dates
of the Duke of Clarence's whereabouts in the autumn of 1888 are drawn,
quoting from published court circulars.

Mention is also made of these locations and the Duke's whereabouts on these
dates in Michael Harrison's "Clarence," in "The Ripper Legacy" by Martin
Howells and Keith Skinner, in "The Complete Jack the Ripper" by Donald
Rumbelow, and in "Prince Eddy and the Homosexual Underworld" by Theo

The body of literature on the Ripper is vast; in the last five years, at
least four books have posited that the Royal Family were somehow involved.

The most amusing is "The Ripper and the Royals," in which it is claimed not
only that the Duke of Clarence fathered a bastard child through his illegal
marriage to a Catholic girl, but that his death was faked, that he died
imprisoned at Glamis Castle, of all places, in the 1930s, that he was sent
there by arrangement with the Bowes-Lyon family who were then promised that
one of their daughters would be allowed to marry into the Royal Family, and
even that George V was the product of an illicit affair between Alexandra
and Alexander Alexandrovich, the future Emperor Alexander III of Russia."

Greg King 8 Nov 1997

From: ""John Parsons"" <>

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval

Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:52 PM

Subject: Re: Jack the Ripper (was: The British/English Constitution)

| It was her grandson Albert Victor, duke of Clarence and Avondale
| (1864-1892) who, had he lived, would have been King and Emperor
| after his father, Edward VII.

| Allegations that the duke was Jack the Ripper surfaced in the 1970s after
| the papers of a London psychiatrist in the 1890s came to light. These
| papers described the real "Jack," among the doctor's patients, as the son
| of

| a noble English family, a man whose parents were renowned for their social
| gifts and who had done much to enhance British prestige around the world.
| While the account in no way pointed directly to the royal family, the
| British media of the day drew the conclusion that the duke of Clarence was
| meant.

| Within a short time, Buckingham Palace unearthed an ancient Court Circular
| showing that the duke was at Balmoral at the time of one of the
| Whitechapel murders.

| For many, Albert Victor's participation in the Whitechapel murders was
| later made more unlikely when declassified police records showed that
| he was among those present when a homosexual brothel in London was
| raided. Allegedly he had gone there expecting the Victorian equivalent of
| an evening of strip teases by pretty girls, and left quite disappointed.

| No certain conclusions about his private life can be based on this one
| incident, and it is abundantly clear from diaries and letters of the time
| that the duke carried on every bit as active a heterosexual love life as
| did his father. In fact royal secretaries were petrified at the mere
| thought that Queen Victoria might find out what her grandson was up
| to, and elaborate strategies were developed to conceal the truth from her.
| Albert Victor lurched from one unsatisfactory love affair to another, at
| one point falling desperately in love with a daughter of the Count
| of Paris, precipitating a minor crisis as public opinion would have
| opposed his marriage to a Roman Catholic, and the republican French
| government would not have wished the stature of the exiled Orleans
| family to be enhanced by such a marriage.

| The attractive but mentally inert Albert Victor was engaged in 1891 to his
| cousin Princess "May" of Teck, but the next January caught influenza while
| hunting at Sandringham and died of pneumonia. (Princess May in 1893
| married his younger brother George, duke of York, who became
| George V in 1910.)

| Rumor continues to insist that Albert Victor died of something of a more
| social nature than pneumonia, but no proof of this has yet been found.

> wrote in message

> Dear Spencer,
> Well there was Queen Victoria`s son Albert who acted
> oddly enough that He`s been considered as a candidate (I believe He has a
> alibi)
> as Jack the Ripper.
> Sincerely,
> James W Cummings
> Dixmont, Maine USA

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