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From: wjhonson <>
Subject: Re: Alice Bradshaigh, wife of Sir John St. John of Bletsoe
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:50:19 -0800 (PST)
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On Nov 16, 8:31 pm, "" <> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:03 pm, wjhonson <> wrote:
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> > On Nov 16, 6:59 pm, "" <> wrote:
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> > > Has anyone tried connecting her to the Sir Thomas Bradshaigh/Bradshaw
> > > of Haigh? See "Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Extinct and
> > > Dormant Baronetcies of England" by John Burke (London, 1838), pp.
> > > 77-78; and "Remains Historical & Literary Connected with the Palatine
> > > Counties of Lancaster and Chester" Vol. CX (1882), pp. 174-79. [both
> > > of which are available via Google books]. If so, Sir Thomas married
> > > an unnamed daughter of Sir Richard Sherburne of Stonyhurst and so
> > > descendants of Sir John St. John and Alice would have additional
> > > medieval ancestry through Sir Richard and his wife Agnes Harrington.
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> > > Thanks for your input.
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> > <a href = "http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/BookView.aspx?
> > dbid=49030&iid=FLHG_AncestralRoots-0038">Ancestral Roots, pg 14</a>
> > showing that Alice Sherburne married Sir John Tempest
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> > Sir Thomas Bradshagh had died in 1426, so Alice then married Sir John
> > Tempest
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> I don't believe the chronology can work out that way. I have Sir John
> St. John b. abt 1432 and died abt 1513. His wife Alice Bradshaigh was
> probably younger born about 1435, so that they have a daughter Anne
> born about 1460 who married about 1485 to Henry Clifford, the 10th
> Lord Clifford, born abt 1454. So working backwards, the parents of
> Alice Bradshaigh were born about 1400-1410. Thomas couldn't be dead
> by 1426 (if he is the same Thomas: there are two, her father and the
> father's great-uncle).- Hide quoted text -
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In general you'd think a wife was younger than her husband. However
it isn't always the case. We can't use that theory to discount the
possibility with firm findings.

I show John St John b abt 1426 and Alice born sometime between 1413
and 1427, so they could possibly have been exactly the same age.
Their three children that I show, I have as all being born between
1450 and 1460.

It's a little too exact to say that Alice's parents had to be born
about 1400-1410. Alice Sherburne was born sometime between 1399 and
1412 but her husband Thomas is looser sometime between 1380 and 1408
for the chronology to work.

Will Johnson


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